Gather around cheap it's time for another exciting action packed bah bah bah. Jamie, Hernan, Adam. Hey, he's got upset about that long intro. Yeah Adam, however, now that we start now that we have transcripts Yeah, really I think it because the transcripts can't get that right. Yeah so it says it says Jamie Bendel it says Jamie Hernan, and then it just butchers Adams name. But that's actually how I avoid being caught by the CIA. Yeah, I can defeat transcripts by my big introductions kind of a it's a tool of trade. It's a tool. That's right. That's brilliant. Yeah. And that falls into the category of sources and methods. Yeah. Sources and sources and methods for sure. Yes. All right. If you are going to be a spy, yes, phi has a business card. Yes, absolutely. They have to have a business card because in fact, I think you have to have multiple business cards. But no matter what the company has to have the term industries in it maybe interesting, maybe and I think the best business cards are ones that say consultant you know, because you can kind of play that any way you want to vandelay Industries it's like a phoenix it's a phoenix industries or like a caribou industries. Yeah, something really vague but yet sounds very identify when it all rings back to the Central Intelligence. All right, so our guest on this episode Yeah, spas an interesting, we think maybe possible spot. Okay. For the here's a great question. Yeah. Do you think that if you are a person of faith, yes. Takes confessions from parishioners? Yes. Are you technically a spy? For Jesus? That's really interesting. And could the CIA, like I was thinking the other day that one of our guests was on and he was talking about how a comedian would make an incredible spy because they can roll city to city and stand up comics can kind of go city to city and not be detected. If the CIA could somehow recruit a priest. My gosh, I think comics prefer not to be undetected. No, but I think as a spy. They're very so for instance, like if bill Barr were a spy, it'd be great because he can just insert himself into foreign countries get you know, people don't really think much about him, you know, anyhow, I think it's interesting. So what do you think business card? Does a spy have a business card? I think a spy probably does have a business card. Yeah. What if as a spy, you just said I'm a spy. And because it's so implausible people like you're not a spy. What are you really do? And I'd be like, no, that's kind of what I do. I'm a spy, spy industry's spy. Chief spy. My main competition is a different spy. And it's kind of just spy versus spy the whole time. So the Washingtonian, which is a DC magazine, they did a thing like what of all the government jobs. That's the best pickup job, right? Like I work for I work in the White House, you're close. I work. I work for the speaker. I work for the FBI. The CIA was the best was the best pickup. Do you think there's guys in DC that are making business cards that make them look like spies? Or they can go to bars and hand them out? I think they're creepy, but they are guys like that. I've never been that guy. A spy in DC. Know the ability to manipulate your spy with who you are. It is what a spy would say. Yeah. But I think the rule is, it's kind of like if somebody asks you if you're a cop, you have to say you're a cop. I feel like that's kind of that's a movie thing. That's only a movie thing. That's I don't know about the CIA. I don't think you have to say you're a CIA guy. You know, see that in the movies, though, with the spies like somebody just coming up and saying, Are you a spy? Or you'd have to tell me, right? That's the international rules of spy craft. And you see, like Jason Bourne be like, oh, headquarters are gonna need an evac right away. Because they've made me they have all the tools they pulled out the enemy. They can't fight that. The legal the legal question. can't be beat. Yeah, section 47. Yeah, yeah. I don't think today's guests would be a very good spy because I think he's well known. He's got as well. We'll let him to explain it on the show. But she we have a great guests coming up. All right, so stick around for that. No, really? Lena Rolly Lena? Really? Yeah. Yeah, we're not keeping them secret. Okay, we're not kidding. It's a it's part of a new thing that I'm doing for Lent. Oh, which is being more honest. Yeah. No secrets, and it's gonna leave it. Oh, and we're not even gonna leave it till after the break. Oh, maybe we should title this episode, the spy episode. And we won't tell them here. Confessions of a spy in quotes, just Hello. Yes. How you do it. But you already knew that because you clicked on the podcast, but I enjoy it. It's weird. Yeah, we're kind of working everything together. Hey, behind the car. You guys get it. You gotta get behind the curtain anytime you want. So I'm excited. We got some good questions. I have some questions about faith that I would like answered. I'm hoping that he's gonna be able to provide me some guidance. Yeah, we actually. Oh, sorry. We also got a new sponsor. I'm pretty excited about go ahead, and we got to go to him. The good good to the bumper. All right, let's so we'll do we got a great ad. outside. Yeah. And then we're into the conversation around bags of cash. Stick around don't go too far cheap. Pocket direct. Jamie, What's up, buddy, we've got a new sponsor, they're based out of Minnesota. If I told you about my Minnesota thing, you have told me about the Minnesota thing and this is gonna make you even more excited about Minnesota. These folks are called find some permafrost calm. By the way. I'm pretty sure my Minnesota thing helped us land this sponsor, because I talked about how great people from Minnesota are. 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Well, I have heard that there's some people in Minnesota who are faking addresses in Florida to have permafrost sent to them to then get and bring back to Minnesota to replenish their Minnesota people are so smart. Anyhow, back as listeners you're gonna love the permafrost I loved from foster keeps me nice, cool. And it drives down the air conditioning bills. You know, when it gets all hot, you get to show some permafrost and get him under them. coveys and, you know, maybe just binge watch live shows or something, you know, but it's nice and cold. Alright, welcome back to the bar cast Jamie bendele Jamie, Hernan Adam, who we have a very special guest with us this evening. I'm very excited about this conversation. For a variety of reasons. We'll get into those as we begin our conversation with our guests. Let's welcome now to the podcast. Mr. Leno. Really? You pronounced you pronounce that name? Jamie, as if you've practiced it for minutes on end. So congratulate, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. You're welcome. Yeah. I have this in in doing a little prep for tonight's episode. I appreciate the degree to which humor has kind of played a role in your life. I this year will be 30 years as a stand up comedian. And I will tell you, you get a chip for that. Like it's like an alcoholic and I would say that there comes a time when you realize you should have progressed further. Yeah. I've been doing this a long time should have been further along. dubious. But it's that I'm gonna forget somebodies introduction. Right? And then you're always giving an introduction to the other comedian. Wouldn't you know it's what do you want me to say about you? And and as you get towards the end of your set? Yeah, you're 30 minutes deep into your set and all sudden you're like, Oh my god, what did they tell me? They wanted me to say about them. What was that? Which which joke? Am I really wanting to end this set on? And then secondly, what were the credits that they gave me? And am I gonna mispronounce the name? Yeah. Anyway, it gets dangerous, but you got Leno's name right? I got Leno's name right. Yeah, it was well done. Alright, so Leno. We like to start our show by introducing the guests letting the guests introduce themselves. And we ask the very basic question, which is what is your calling card? You know what I'm very proud of as I've never had a card in my life. I've never had a calling card. I've never had a business card. And whatever it is, I do would be impossible to fit on a card and I've always been very proud of that it tells you obviously, I have very little to be proud of that that is something I'm actually proud of. I think there's goals in life. And that's a good one that says, I'm going to not have a card, I will never have a business card. I will always live a life without a business card. That sounds like something that a spy would say. Well, spies also say that Yeah, but I actually think, Yeah, I was gonna say spies always have a business card. Cover, I see why, yeah, if you're like, what's your business card, I don't have one. I'm a spy. Well, you didn't lose your cover, you have a business card that that actually says, you have, you have to have a cover. So my attitude on this is, I never wanted a business card. Because the if I wanted to be able to be found, I would let you know where I would be. Otherwise I love I've always loved the idea. This is before social media before all of this, that if you're like, oh, give me your card, I'd be like, No, I'm pretty sure if I if I want to be in touch with you. Why don't you give me your card, and we'll stay in touch that way. This was something I always wanted to accomplish in life. And if you set your goals low enough, a low enough you can get there. low bar, every kid's dream low bar. Yeah, set a low bar, no cards, you can always get over a low bar. Yeah, I think it's also a, that girls using bars, often the same, the same tactic that says, I'm not gonna give you my number. Why don't you give me your number? And I'll call you maybe exactly right. All right. So let me ask you this, Lino, do you think, relative to what it says on somebody's business card. And as it relates to fate, Jamie, when we were prepping for tonight's episode, there's a lot of kind of like faith oriented things that I'd be totally open to getting into. And I do I find on stage as a Catholic myself, that when I really am in a set that I that I'm not liking, I will actually convert to jokes about Catholicism, bits about Catholicism that that I find highly entertaining. And I always talk about how I would have made a terrible apostle, because I'm awful at writing letters. Right? And it seems like that was always like the Corinthians were so needy for news, because all they constantly were getting right or those letters to the Corinthians. And you know, who are the other Catholics in the audience, because they kind of they kind of get it. And I grew up in a house where my mom was a first available Pew, mom. And so I lived in this constant fear that it was going to be the mass where the priest went into the crowd, and like, asked questions, and I was going to be ill prepared and be it'd be embarrassed in front of the rest of the rest of the congregation you the little bend. Oh, boy. Yeah. Why don't you tell us the please, please, no father today can't walk back. Walking. It's the same danger as it as in a comedy show. If you sit right up front, you've got a risk of Yeah, being part of the crowd work. And I don't think that we consider do crowd work, but I always actually thought that it would be hilarious if they did like an open pulpit night. And so like, aspiring priests could go and work on sermons, and write, and just sermons aren't gonna get any worse. So the idea that you'd actually be practicing what would be the opposite of stand up comedy? You mean, it would be professional? I think this is an idea we can get behind. Jamie, I would love to get this idea out there. Right. Just to just to basically say, Come on down some new guys. They're just trying to work out some new stuff. Right. I've got this sermon. It's just not working right now. Yeah, I got the wrong story. I made the wrong notes. the right message I can't get I can't get the people involved. I can't get people to own it. Yeah, yeah. But I will also say it was really kind of cool. The first time we actually got to bring we were chosen, right. And I was like, Yes, we have it. Yeah. You were chosen. Yeah. What do you bring you bring up the gift? Oh, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Like that was I wanted to let you know, Jamie, that and that's, that's usually Judaism. Actually. They're more chosen than we are. Yeah, they're chosen. Oh, that's true. Yeah, that's Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I got the show called The Catholic guy, not the Jewish guy. But well, okay. So I do have a technical question. It's Lent. We're just starting Lent. Is there a window at the beginning, where you get like a mulligan? Where you forgotten what it is that you've given up? And you inadvertently do it? Yes, there is. No, here's, there's this thing about lent that somehow a lot of people that have not noticed or paid attention to. A lot of times the Catholic Church, whether you're Catholic or not, the Catholic Church tries to it appears like it wants to run your life at all times with Lent. You know, the Church says about Lent, like what do you got to do? You have to abstain from meat on Fridays. And you have to fast on Ash Wednesday and then Good Friday, otherwise, if you gave up rutabagas for that you did that completely on your own. So if you accidentally ate a pound of rutabagas one day, which is super bizarre if you did, but it's probably also why you gave it up. Yeah. Because, right a very unhealthy relationship with rutabagas. And you're like, you know, I really want to give this up because my relationship with God is that strong and willing to sacrifice. And two days into Lent, you're a pound of rutabagas in and you go, Oh, I forgot I gave up rutabagas. It's a mulligan, because nobody ever told you. You needed to give up anything for Lent. You totally did it on your own. So you don't even really need a mulligan. Because there's no rules. You just have to go. Oh, no, no, I'm gonna give up rutabagas for Lent, except for when I want rutabagas. That's the genius of Lent, believe it or not interesting. So it's kind of a self imposed restriction that people do beyond that. I have to tell you. I'm a little heartbroken. Because you've been working all this time I get your let record really good. Yeah, I feel like it's suddenly you're like, hold on a second notice on Friday. do that all day? I've been given a boost for a couple months. Wait, but if what he's saying is correct, then how do many How do so many people still have it wrong? Because not everyone has my genius? No, listen, this is Jamie. This is honestly, this is completely true. It's just never, it's never been really talked about. But if you were to say, well show me in the Bible, that wouldn't be a case. But show me a papal document or a Vatican document that says you need to give something up or take something on for Lent. It just doesn't happen. It doesn't exist. So it's kind of taken on a life of its own, where you're like, well, I'm giving up booze for Lent. Okay, well, you decided to and then if you're like, Oh, I screwed up. It's like, well, that's not a sin. If you give up killing people for lamp, and you know, you're slipping, you know? Yeah, you stab a guy, but you didn't know you're gonna kill him. But he ends up dying, right? I'm still a sin, but it's not a sin because you did it during Lent. Right? And because you shouldn't kill you might feel worse about it. As long as you don't do it, because you tried to give it up. Yeah, I've tried to give up killing bludgeoned The guy with my fried fish. Oh. I mean, I've been to some fish fries, where I wanted to get back there and at least strangle the cook. Walk us through a little bit. Okay, so let's go to question two. Can we hold on to question two? Okay, first one calling card, got it. No card, and I apologize. I should have been a better sport about the Collin card thing. Yeah, I host a radio show on Sirius XM called the Catholic guy. Before that I worked in TV and I've ever blah, blah, blah. We're gonna do that Atlanta. We're not we're gonna support you and your cause right now. Let's go. Yeah, it'll still be in there. But we're gonna bleep it out. Alright, so. And I and I do actually think your path to that is a pretty interesting story about how you sort of made your way into this life that you've created for yourself now. And by the way, we were talking before we went on the air before we started recording rather. I gotta tell you, I think it's a very bold choice to get married at the Vatican. Yeah, you got married at the Vatican? Is that right? I absolutely got married at St. Peter's Basilica. Biggest church in the world. Okay, so our question here is, don't you feel like that puts a little extra pressure on the marriage? Yeah. Oh, no. I think if anything, you got it all wrong. All the pressure is off because you get married at the Vatican. She can get divorced. All she wants for me her second marriage. Oh, yeah. We're gonna have that outside parking lot at Denny's. I mean, you're not going to top getting married at St. Peter's. Anytime you're going to complain about what a lousy husband I am. I go. Well, I agree. We got married at St. Peter's Basilica. I mean, what else do I What am I gonna give you that every day? So no, by doing that, I try to what I lack emotionally, I try to make up either with gifts, or with experiences like getting married at St. Peter's. So I thought it would be a great cover for the rest of our marriage. So he's actually taking it at a different angle. We were thinking from your side that like how does your second wife deal with the fact that first wife got dealt with that got married at the Vatican? But you've got an excellent point that comparable, anything on the wife's side is great, because whoever the next guy is, he's never going to get that one. Yeah, inferior but it feels like it's the opposite of the professional low bar. You've set a marital high bar. It's true. I hadn't thought of it that way. And I hadn't thought of the second wife business. Where were you guys when I needed you? Yeah, yeah. We're really good at prepping for second one, though, is probably what you'd find is he's going back there anytime he gets married. That's his spot. Yeah. He just goes that I get married at the Vatican. It's what I do. Yeah. I think he might not agree with our premise here that there's going to be multiple marriages. No, I'm just saying no, I'm just saying if it happened I'm not suggesting that it isn't or, or it is, and I hope to help you. We're all actually very happily married here with our first wives. But But if it does, I mean, it's it's a hard it's a hard one to top. I love the question. I love you. I love the mindset, though, that that's where you're the approach was, well, what about the second wife? I think that that's genius. Now I if we think that a little bit more through However, I'm not worried about the second wife, I'm just making sure the first wife doesn't do better in her second marriage do you say? That's right? I'm more worried about the second guy than I am the second wife because the second wife, yeah, no, but that's great, because you have set the bar impossibly high for husband number two. And that's great. Because you will always be and you know, you no matter what, when they come by to pick up the kids, you'll always say, Oh, I heard you got married at your school. But no, it's really pretty. And they have a nice backyard. I think. I actually think I think what's gonna happen is hypothetical ex wife. second husband. Yes. Totally switching face. Oh, because they can't get out. You can't be called as the second husband. Even if you're a devout Catholic, you probably convert just to try B because there's no dealing with that first husband. I mean, he married her at the Vatican. Right. So maybe I'm other's houses. And I'm the Archbishop of Canterbury or something like, you know, we go to Canterbury to get married or something like that. I think you might be overthinking this. Now we've got we've gotten far afield? No, no. I mean, clearly. Yeah. overthinking things. Well, but so I'm very interested. So my oldest daughter is in nursing school right now. And she's picked up a, I guess a second major, which is theology. Interesting. I didn't know that. Yeah. And she loves it. Like, so she's gotten all in and it's in. It's at a Jesuit school. And, like, it's really been interesting to see how she's kind of now pursued her own faith, which I think is interesting. And when you have kids, what they do with faith, when they get out to get out of your house? Yeah. Do you find that in your, your show and some of the other stuff that you do that you have people that are? are you liking when people are questioning where they're coming from, from a faith perspective, those are you like those conversations better? Or do you like when somebody is all in? And it's like, you're cheering for your favorite sports team? And we all you know, we all are pulling in? Yeah, we're right or die Catholics? Kind of. So I, I prefer the not all in people, because the all in people are way more annoying, because they think they know it all. And they think they've Oh, what about this? What about that? And you're like, Oh, just give me a break? Well, yeah, I don't get paid per soul around here. I'm trying to do a radio show. Right? And, and so and if anything, I have more fun with the, I'll give an example of like, I like going to confession. Well, that's not totally true. I like leaving confession, right? And so I don't necessarily enjoy going but I enjoy being forgiven. I think most human beings enjoy being forgiven. If I say on the air, do that, like going to confession and somebody goes, Oh, I love going to confession too. Well, that's not good for me, because that's gonna be one more person in line. I don't want to show up and have a bunch of people in line. It doesn't want to oversell, buddy who's like, Oh, well, all right, let me let me hear more. And I can tell some funny stories about going to confession or whatever. But if you're all in, that means I'll be in line. If you're like, gee, I don't know. Then I say, Well, you know what, give it a shot sometime. Just go after I'm done. Let me go first. And then you can be behind me. And again, if you go, great, but it's not a it's not a pyramid scheme. It's not a Ponzi scheme, where I don't somehow make more by you going. So somebody who's all in with any faith, quite frankly, somebody who's all in with anything, can sometimes be a little bit annoying. Like I'm a Minnesota Vikings fan. buddy of mine is a huge Vikings fan. And you know, now that we're like in the offseason, as soon as I see him, he'll be like, Hey, what do you think about there's a chance we're going to be drafting a linebacker in the sixth round and I'm like, What do we take your way too into this thing? Like I don't know what linebacker I mean. We have a horrible quarterback. Let's just complain about Kirk Cousins. Let's not worry about a sixth round linebacker. I'm guessing that the line for confession in Minnesota is shorter than at St. Patrick's well the line in Minnesota actually the lines are longer in Minnesota because we go anywhere where it's warm, it's very cold outside and and so if you're like confessions Saturday from three to four and heat, that actually is quite an attractive thing. You wait a minute, we can get heat around here. Believe it or not St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York doesn't have huge lines. Well right now during COVID Nothing's going on in New York, but in non pandemic times. The lines are relative tively short, because the place is just jam packed with tourists, if anything, I've gone to confession before, and the line isn't clear that you're there for confession. So sometimes they'll just be sitting next to a guy from a guy from Poland will just be standing in line, because he thinks this is the line to buy a rosary. And the next thing goes in and is. So do you think that so is there? And again, I apologize. I'm asking totally not naive questions. There you go. Yeah. Well, no, but so if it's, if it, in theory, has more religious significance, so did the so did the nature of your wedding take on greater spiritual significance to because of where you were wed? Or do you think that the experience you had would have been the same if you were at like your regular Parish, home church? So though I was born in America, I'm Italian American, and my first visit to my first time, the first time traveling, the country was to Italy. So I've got family in Rome. My aunt and uncle got married at St. Peter's. My cousin and my first cousin and his wife got married at St. Peter's. I used to live in Rome. I live like two blocks from St. Peter's I live two blocks from the Vatican. So he's to go to this church all the time. For me it actually felt like my parish church. Now I know like, St. Peter happens to be buried not far away from there. But that That to me was this felt like this always felt like home. And plus, by getting married in Italy, there were just a ton of people I didn't have to invite and the my cheap friends and family members that I didn't want to have there. Anyways, I invited them But you knew they were way too cheap to go to Italy for that. You know what if you if you have a wedding in the Bahamas, you might get some cheap family members to show up. You get married in Rome, all the cheapskates stay back, you just you get the cream of the crop and just rack it in the gills. Do you know what I think is a gift because you can invite as many people as you want what's in what's an underrated thing that people don't do enough of? What's that? destination? funeral? destination funeral destination funeral? Not enough of that? Not enough? Because I think the moving around of a body or just don't even deal? I don't know. I'm just saying I can't believe he's dead. And he wants us to kill Memorial Day weekend by burying them in Hawaii. Yeah, let's do it in Bermuda, right? I like that idea. Not enough people do it. But I like the idea. It's very conceptually. So do you think though that's then the same for somebody who says, and again, I'm speculating. But if let's say take the hypothetical person who maybe doesn't go often to confession, and they're on a trip and they said, Okay, this is a church that has greater significance to our faith, I go to Confession there. It's kind of like confession tourism in a way, do they then by virtue of that experience, maybe be more likely to go pick up the habit more regularly at home? You know that now there's a question. I don't know the answer to i, i do pilgrimages. So a couple of again, when we're not under pandemic rules, then I'm allowed to leave my house. I usually take trips like four or five times a year, we bring our listeners with. I remember we went to Jerusalem, we went to the Holy Land once. And the one of the guys on the trip, really his wife forced him to go along, to be honest with you, the guy in his 30s or 40s or so they were a lot of fun. And he said, You know, I'm not going to go to church, I'm not going to do all this stuff on the trip. I'm just gonna go to be with you. And then he had heard on these trips, we eat and drink a lot, which is true. So this guy has a lot of fun. He went out to dinners with us every night he did the entire tour. One of the last days we were in Jerusalem and he goes, You know what? I changed my mind about all this. I actually want to go to confession. I haven't been to confession in decades ago, guys probably 40 years old. And went to confession got himself a nice tattoo in Jerusalem. Now. We stay in touch. I just don't ask him about how his confession. Yeah. Right. Yeah, hey, you're still going to confession or what? So? That's a very good question. If people still follow up on it or not? I don't know. I think. I think No, because I think sometimes it's the beauty of the church, or the experience of being in a spot Jesus died or whatever, that makes a person go, Well, this is something I want to change my life. And then when you get back home, you're like, well, I don't want to change it that much. Yeah. Are they want to confess to a priest that they don't know who or who won't see them again, because I've got something really, really juicy to lay out there. This way. I don't have to deal with him. I'm just happy to know that I no longer have to confess that I messed up online. Okay, there you go. So I think we've missed and we got to go back to his Did you say you're a Minnesota Vikings fan? like football? What? Well, yeah, I mean, what what's the alternative? Like the Viking conquest? Yeah. No, I was just amazed that yeah, that there are I didn't realize they still existed as a Patriots fan. I think, you know, I mean, that's, that's a tough life. I mean, I mean, that is penance. Right there being a part of it. It's a whole it's an underpinning of Catholic guilt. Yeah, it Really sorry. Are you a native of Minnesota? He just said no, no, no. Originally from Rome, but how long? No, no, no, no. What show Are you listening? Is Lena still on the show? Sorry. He's He's a native your native Minnesota. Right? I was born in Minnesota. Okay. My first trip to Italy was when I was 10 months old. And then I would go back and forth. I lived in Italy. And then I lived in New York for 15 years. But yes, I'm originally so do you cheer for the ghosts? No, you don't cheer for the ghost and you live in Minnesota. So when it comes to college, I cheer for whoever I bet on. So I powered football all day long. And I want to I don't care, like my wife went to the University of Georgia. And if I think they can, you know, cover, okay, I'll bet on him. Otherwise, we have just as much fun. If I bet against them. And you know, Georgia wins the game. I'm like, wow, that's horrible. I just lost money. So I will bet but my loyalty is purely to my money. And that's why you never lose money betting on Tom Brady. And I bet him to win this. I said Tampa Bay would win every year, the last six years before the season starts. I bet Tampa Bay excuse me, New England to win at all. Yeah, this year, I bet Tampa Bay to win at all. It's paying well. Now you're speaking Adams language. Right? So believe it or not already have not even gotten the question. Yes. Got a question too. So we're gonna do question two. So if your wife was a University of Georgia graduate, and you spend any time here in the south, you may be familiar with the concept of a meet in three restaurant? Oh, no, he's not no one. able to see not only the confused look, a few sound but also, don't worry. No one ever knows what it means to meet and three restaurant it's basically it's a cafeteria style diner, where you get a meat as your entree and then you get your choice of three sides. Sure. Okay. So in this analogy, what we ask our guests is, what is the meat? What is the anchor the defining thing around which the rest of your life is organized? porterhouse. Yeah, but not actual meat. We're talking about like, what is your What is your centralized? He got? He got he sold the joke. Okay, sorry. I thought that was a good joke. I saw it. Come on I muted Adam. Don't worry. Okay, good. So what is the guiding principle? I know the answer is supposed to be God. But in reality, the guiding thing in my life, the meat in my life, is what's going to be the most fun. Okay, unfortunately, is what I learned in therapy, among other places. I'm always chasing after the next high and the next high is just what will be fun. So the answer is my meat is fun. Do I know that was a weird sentence? I'm really appreciate what you're saying. So I told the guys on this show to keep it clean for this episode. And, but I forgot to mention that to you. Alright, so now the question is, what are the what is the three? What are the three attributes that you would like other people to most closely associate with you? travel? Drinking Catholicism. Wow. Okay, so let's go to the drinking. what's what's the what's the drink of choice? You know, I'm so much fun. When it comes to beer. I really go out of my way. It's Bud Light, that I've heard about that, that I honestly love people from Minnesota, the Vikings not my football team, but the people of Minnesota are always good people. And I like people that like Bud Light, and maybe drink it from a Stein. I don't even know. But is it a frosted mug? Or is it just Bud Light? Can? Can I just go as fast as he can get them? But I know that's not the classy answer. So then I will say, Well, what about I mean, this is really dumb. But a few years ago, I realized that there's less calories in the clear liquor. So a Catalan club a kettle one club soda. Okay, go ahead. No, I want you to go ahead. I was gonna say I Lino will admit that I have spent more time than I probably should have on a website called efficient drinker.com. And it will tell you basically the most calorie efficient drinks. So as it turns out, the most efficient in terms of delivery of alcohol to calories in it is the bud select 55 It's so funny. There's a local pub that we go to near our house and when my wife walks in, they pull up a Niccolo baltra. And when Jamie walks in, they pull up a mclubbe Oh yeah. The beer that goes with everything. Yeah, you know, we're actually asking some kind of dumb questions because we've got Leno on video. And I've asked him what his drink of choices but behind him to his right I see what appears to be a number of drinks of choice. Adam asked him if he's actually a Minnesota Vikings fan. And there's a helmet there in the upper right. We're not good at clues. We would never escape the escape route. Yeah. And then of course, we've got the Foo Fighters. They're late. I'm gonna tell you a quick foo fighter story. When we had I don't know what it was. I think the Superbowl was here in Atlanta, they, they erected an entire building for one concert, a Foo Fighters concert, and nothing is 18 T or something. record this giant concert concert venue. I happen to go to that show is amazing. And the Foo Fighters performed there. And then they tore the thing down. And it was a it wasn't a tent, it was a fully erected Steel Building. Just for the Super Bowl. One Show. That was a really long story to get to nowhere. I mean, we just really poof fighter stage goes up, who's spider stage story next? time like you should ask for it if you're worried about us wasting time on the Vikings. Like that's an incredible story. So there was this stage and it went up. They did a performance and they took them down. Okay. No, it was incredible story. For me to hate. So yes, I'm feeling feelings of hate. Right now. I want to tell Leno something, though, that I tell all my people that I meet from Minnesota. I've never met anyone from Minnesota that I didn't like a little bit. And I think there are bad people in Minnesota. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure there are I haven't met them yet. But in my book, if you walk up to me and us and we say, Oh, where are you from? They say I'm from Minnesota, you're plus two, you get two points automatically, right off the bat. If you say I'm from Florida, minus two, right, you get minus two from Florida plus two like everybody else. I'm not saying there aren't good people from Florida. I'm just saying you have a hurdle to get over just be less judgy. In general, no, people from Minnesota are just good people. I think it's and I think it has to do with the cold. I think you have to be inside with people a lot of the year. And so you have to be at least tolerable from a social level. Now, a couple of things you mentioned minus two, which is actually the temperature right now. And secondly, I can't help but wonder if some of your anger happens to be because Tom Brady went down to Florida and gave them a Super Bowl. So I wonder your your negativity towards Tampa Bay by the way, it's a dump. But you can't help wonder if some of the anger is because they there's some re channeling. Yeah, there's definitely some return on Brady. Yeah, it's just the greatest of all time. Yeah, he's not mine anymore. Yeah. He's now seeing another team. Well, I know. Yeah. So Alright, so we have our rapid fire round. These are questions we kind of draw out of here. It's a icebreaker box set of questions. We just pulled them out. We asked them to you it's kind of a lightning round shorter the answer the better and incredibly deep questions that we're only going to take short answers for. Yep. And that and you you have the choice. Would you rather go clockwise or counterclockwise? clockwise, obviously, before we start, I've got a Foo Fighters story. Oh, no, no. Okay. Kill me now. All right, clockwise. Does that mean starting with the starting with me? Okay. All right. So where's the edge of your comfort zone currently? outside? It's very cold out indeed. Next. Where are you falling short of your potential? Right here now? Okay, good. All right. Where do you need to think bigger? Not my waistline. Where do I need to think bigger? I need professional I need to think bigger. I need to think creatively how to make the show bigger as if it could be any smaller. That's what I knew. I didn't think bigger and more 10 radio show. Excellent. Trust us. It could be smaller. Go ahead. No, go ahead. When did you lose your ability to dream like a child? As soon as I started working in Catholic radio, what does it mean to be human? Wow. Oh. I have just handed you What does it mean to be human? Yeah, I am you too, to love. I love it. I love the answer to love. If you had to switch places with another person who would you choose? And why Dave Grohl, especially, ah, tell that story again. I've got a confession to make. I actually so I was at an event one time, you know where the person that kind of like the guest of honor is being introduced and in the process of introducing his spouse He said, when this woman dies, she's going to go to a special gated community in heaven. And I thought it was the most hilarious and inadvertently hilarious introduction that you could make about a person as though you needed to be separated from the Riff Raff of heaven. I'm just happy. No, too many people up here in the states are really good. And then we get only the best prime rib section. Do you have any questions for us? What does it mean to be human? I like the love answer. Actually, I actually do have a question that you may not necessarily know the answer to. Are you aware of a religion that penalizes you for when you adopted as your faith? Is there? Is there? Are you aware of a faith for which it is too late to become an adherent of it in your life? Zoroastrianism Is that true? No, but it starts with the letters. Nobody around us or Austria, so don't question the guest. asking the question legitimately, is there a faith where it says you've waited too long in your life? To to accept this faith? You can't become our religion? You can't become a member of our of our great question that I would not know the answer to because I barely I barely know about Catholicism, let alone. So I got Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I could I could answer some questions about those big three. They'll all let you in any time. Right. So then the question that I had about that, so I had a very good friend, I went to a church of christ law school. Okay. And so I had some very interesting questions with my classmates about the concept of made in God's image and whether or not that meant whether aliens could be Christians, right. And there may or may not have been adult beverages being consumed and a portion of the formation of these questions. But I got wondering whether or not the the, in some end analysis, it doesn't matter, the belief that you have, or that you have a belief, it matters, the belief that you have because there are people who believe nutso things, and if you believe nutso things, bad things happen in the world. Right. Right. So they're worshipping Vega. Yeah, that's an unhealthy relationship with right. It's a belief does ultimately believe does matter in this life. And then, you know, whatever happens next, there will be some some basis on how you believed you know, religion all says, Well, okay, whether it be Islam or Judaism or Christianity or whatever, how you believe will be one thing, how you lived it up will be another thing. And so yeah, sir, certainly, I think it matters now in Tehran, in terms of the alien thing. We don't know because everything Jesus told us, for some reason was limited to humans. He didn't ever comment on the existence of aliens when he was talking to his audience, right? I mean, his audience was mostly human. So he was like, I don't know the cross people aren't gonna be too crazy about the alien stuff. They probably don't care much about elephants. Paul was too busy writing to the guys I would go but the Corinthians you got to know you better know your audience. I mean, you gotta take us another lesson Jamie could take from Jesus know your audience the whole Foo Fighters story. Come on, man. All right. So Lina, where where can people find you without the business card? Where can where can our listeners find you? Well, Minnesota but I hope they don't stop by. I've got I got a radio show. It's called the Catholic guy on Sirius XM Satellite Radio Monday through Friday, four to 6pm. Eastern. That's wonderful on the west coast. You could go to Catholic guy.com. I'm on social media. Otherwise, I live in rural Minnesota. They can sometimes see me outside shoveling. Awesome. So Lena, we really appreciate you coming on. You've been a lot of fun. And I got a game about what it is to be human. That's the big challenge Minnesota people just good people another I honestly it's another one another notch in my in my theory, aliens never coming over to your house. No, I'm just saying you are you? You know. I know. But you're like, I just like people from Minnesota. I'm sorry. Where do you live specifically, and I'll see if I can make it right. Right. So yeah, I live exactly No. Name one person you know from Minnesota. Nate Olson, and he's going to be listening to the show. He is from Duluth, Minnesota. He's a big, big big fan. Shout out tonight. Did you skipped a day in law school where they said don't ask questions if you don't know the answer to. That's right. No, but I do the editing, so that won't appear. Doesn't matter. He's also a big hockey fan. Also, he does like the ghosts. And he also knows about the hobby, which no one else seems to know about outside of Minnesota. Hey, Selena, did you did you just turn 49? Are you still are you about to? You know, I turned 49 in October, watch this November, December, four months ago, four months ago. Alright, so 50 this year, though? Well, I mean, let's not take anything for granted. jump to any conclusions. Got a long ways to go before we hit that thing. But the idea would be that I'll turn 50 sometime this year, it should be late October. That's usually about when it lands for me. Okay. And the weird thing is I I'm the young one of all my friends. So all the guys I went to high school in college with another I I skipped kindergarten. So like when we were when everybody turned 21. They all turned 21 like junior year of college, I turned 21. late October, senior year of college, so I was the last one to turn. But now everybody's 50 or 51. And I'm still in my 40s do you feel like you're starting to run out of real estate? In terms of things you want to accomplish in life? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a disaster. Right? This is a nightmare being this old because you've lost all hope. And now we're just trying to survive. Right? Okay. Yeah, I think it's just a weird, I get the sense that there's this odd and I don't know if it's a social media driven thing, but there's like the meme of vacation of everything. And, and sort of the affirmation memes and all that other stuff, I think is all trying to get at wrestling with the fact that you, at some point, have this awareness that you're running out of time, it does feel like a downhill slope from this point. See, I was thinking professionally, I wasn't thinking Personally, I was thinking professionally. There's not a lot more. There's not a lot of room to go anywhere. Yeah. In terms of personal I mean, I'm still gonna sit around and drink with my friends until we're all dead. So, personally, I'm doing the same thing with my same friends that I was doing 30 years ago. Yeah, we'll just keep going until we drop off. But I was thinking more professionally looking down the road saying, Oh, well, the things maybe you hope to accomplish as of 20 something those dreams have been crushed. Do you do okay, so if you had the choice, would you rather be the first of your friends today? Or the last? Sheesh? That's like the common question. We've got a bet going a death pool. I don't know if you guys do this or not. We're going on now. We all put money in to see who you know. And then the guy who dies last gets all the money. So there's motivation for me to survive at this point and murder your friends. The better question for him is which of your motivation to murder your friends? Which of your friends Do you want to die first? That's the better question. We put on one guy already because he's very unhealthy. So we have we have a separate bet of who will die first. So we have to separate from that of the last guy standing. This is kind of like a Super Bowl squares type of thing. Yeah. Oh, you got to fill in the squares for Yeah, you got to pick the numbers. I actually think maybe now that I'm thinking about it, the reason why the elderly makes friends so easily is they're constantly trolling for pallbearers. Right? Like it. Yeah. You're like, you look like you can still lift the box. So what's going on with you? Yeah, so lift him and share. Maybe we could be Yeah, I noticed all of your other friends are dead. Are you are you inviting me over just because you're embarrassed? Yeah, admittedly, I am. I admittedly, I'm always auditioning for like it's like the worst wedding party to be asked to be included in right. How do you feel about your travel for the destination funeral? Oh, you gotta definitely have somebody that would actually be the humor that I would say is thankfully you don't all have to wear awful matching like bridesmaid suits to be a pallbearer like you don't that that really what it should be is first person to die. Everybody has to dress up like a buckingham palace guard. I'm going to change and we'll write a pallbearer I'm gonna make costume costume. I always wanted to be buried by a marble man. Guy. Great. Anyway, I like it. All right. Well, we appreciate it. You know, hopefully people will continue to pursue your work. I hope that you have still tremendous upside. Yeah, I think you do in your in your professional career. Jamie and Jamie were you know, I mean, that Foo Fighters story. You don't know how you top that experience. That's the high point of your life, but think about this. Okay. It would be kind of cool theoretically, on the day that dies last he's collected. He hasn't collected Well, he probably had the money at that point he because he was last he's already won the lot the death he has to collect the money. Right? He's what who is that he's now left I'm hoping an accessible pool and you get to heaven. And you make it to the front of the line and when they get there, I'll see Peter says, I love the show. I listen all the time. You get to go into the gated community. callback, right. There you go. Alright, we appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thanks for coming in. Everybody. Thanks, Lena. Love the conversation we had with Lino ruli It was awesome to take your face, turn it into a radio show. Be willing to share that faith with us? Yep. And I self deprecating I don't know that. I do feel he was self deprecating. He isn't. I think he is in general. But I think that he he's not sort of in your face about Catholicism. He's willing to self deprecating that's an interesting word you you chose there. It's a quality that people have been self deprecating. Is that right? That's what I hear. I thought that people who kind of could handle criticisms of themselves that you know might be okay with that. He critical of themselves. Oh, that's not that's Oh, but the difference between self deprecating, deprecating and other dup self. Got it? Got it? Yes. Okay. Another Depo deprecated. So if Jamie were to say my story for the Foo Fighters sucked, that would be self deprecating, but me saying it is other deprecating. I get it. I'm with you. Anyhow, good episode. Love the guy. Seems like a superstar. I hope everybody listens to his shows because he does seem like a pretty entertaining guy. I wonder how many times we can record this outro and come up with various new ways to bash me. Oh, I think we could probably go Oh, no, I just think that if you listen, people who listen to the show, clearly will know when people add them. Those are on the show. Yep. Always a little more deferential people. When I'm closer with them. I tend to pull my punches a little bit. Yeah, you clearly pull punches. And that was okay. And and partially, I think it's because, and I want you to hear this as a friend. you're uncomfortable talking about your faith. You're totally right. I mean, me and the other Catholics on the show, right? Yeah, we were all in it. Yeah. It's really weird. You got it. You got it. Everybody. Everybody's talking about it. Yeah. Yes. He knows the Huggy you gotta hug him back. Yeah. But he knows that he knows the Pope. So you know? Everybody knows. the Pope's isn't the whole purpose is to engage. Right? I know the Pope. I mean, I know where he stands on stuff. I don't I haven't met him personally. Pope I do the top podcast. Let's see if we can put the pope Pope the Pope. That guy got married at the Basilica, you know, the Pope. Right. That was his home church. I think that's actually live the answer to that. I thought that was really great. Because I was thinking of it from the standpoint of like a destination church was like, yeah, this is where I hang out as a kid. And locking in his wife's marital or wedding experience was pretty good. Yeah. Anyhow, she will chalk that up to one additional way to bash. You have a good night? No, I'm saying I don't agree. I don't I would disagree with that assessment. I think that it's a so when we were getting married, right? We had to do the pre Cana training or process or whatever it is. And for non Catholics, that's basically when you have to go talk to the priest about getting married. And the priest made the whole spiel about you got to invite God to the wedding. Right? He's got to be on your guest list. God's got to be invited to the wedding to see a chicken or a steak. Who Jesus Yeah, God, God. Fish, Shiva. Yeah, I'm assuming he's, yeah, that's, that's probably true. But I think like, I like small church. Like, as I've gotten older, I think I feel more connected. The smaller churches, and I just wonder if it's, you know, I don't know I to me, like, maybe what he was talking about, like, You're, you're at places of religious significance. So like, if you're in the Holy Land, and you're at a famous site, and I could see how you'd feel a little more connected to the faith. At some point, saying, this is where we normally worship, but we're going to go get married at this other place. You know, it's just a different and which was not his, so that's how I thought is to be like I normally go to, you know, St. Ann's around the corner. But now we're gonna go here, just so we can be married there. Right. That was right. That was the but he did have that local 100 which I kind of skipped over and I forgotten that he had lived in Rome and you know the whole thing, so So that was a great answer. Right? You know, I still think that confession tourism is a thing. And I also I also imagine that the Bud Light in Minnesota may taste better just because it's probably ice cold. No crazy cold. Crazy cold. You throw that in the river for two seconds. Oh, we'll see you next time she go out. Thanks for tuning in.