People around here trust the shepherd. Jamie and the other Jamie. They always have the sheep trust me to gather around. I'll throw another log on the fire. Turn it up just to touch on another episode of the podcast is starting now. In 2021 podcast called the podcast chose to focus on True Crime podcasts. Not all of the hosts successfully made it through the episode. This is an exploration what happened now No. We're doing a regular set of podcasts but we are to kind of focus Jamie vandal Jamie, Hernan, Adam, here comes to me Sup? Oh, what happened Adams last name in this introduction of the podcast. This will be our focus on a true crime episode of the podcast, lightning rounds only or after this. Alright, welcome back. This is the podcast special True Crime themed episode where we are talking to hosts of some notable and noteworthy True Crime themed podcasts. Our guest this segment is the host of murder bucket which is a true crime podcast. Hannah Palmer is the host, she typically murders paranormal Paranormal Activity collections got it kidnapping check. I'm not sure how that buckets plays out. But I think we can ask how big is the bucket of murder? I don't even know. Okay, Hannah, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me, guys. All right. So first, how big is this bucket of murder? I would say it's a normal size bucket. I don't I don't do murder every single episode. I mean, like you said I do Paranormal Activity abductions kidnappings and weird stuff. Cool. What's the difference between a bucket and a pail is where you live I don't know ah. I don't think regional is I don't think it's a pop soda thing isn't it could be murder is murder but but other areas of the country that don't even get the concept of murder bucket. No. Wait a minute. Like he's talking about a pail stop if she did something other than murder. It'd be a manslaughter pail murder goes in a bucket. Yeah, murder. Manslaughter goes in a pail. So bucket is a higher level of crime bucket is clear. buckets are usually bigger. So pails are the misdemeanors of containers. Think of come lewdly Yeah, let's get back to Hannah. Yeah. All right. Oh, Hannah. Yeah. Yeah, we do get distracted sometimes. Alright, so what was the genesis? What was the What was your murder bucket origin story? quarantine? I got bored. I needed something to do. Okay to keep myself occupied. All right, what makes a good focus of your podcast for you? As far as like episode topics or? Okay, I mean, I really try and do really like lesser known crimes. I try and find like obscure things that have happened. Things that really the media doesn't talk about that often. I really don't try and do like a lot of big known crimes. I have done a lot of them. But I try and kind of steer away from that. Okay, so the lesser known but still pretty weird, or interesting stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How many have you ever started one and you got a little further into it? And you're like, Yeah, not that interesting. Yeah, I mean, I've I've researched a few episodes where I've kind of written maybe like a page and then said, Okay, well, I can't find anything else. This doesn't really have anything. And I can't just ramble for 25 minutes for no reason so I'm going to find something else. Hmm I wonder if that's part of the cover up though. On some of those the state cover but cover up the deep state cover up? Why she can't find more on real juicy ones that just kind of dead end right away cover on the bucket. Yeah. Enough of that. You spent a lid on the bucket. That's right. Oh, clean that up for you. I know. She cleaned it up nicely. She took your broken bit and she fixed it. My job is not always I'm trying to pass here sometimes to get slammed Yeah. If we knew volleyball terms that would have been explained. Oh, I completely set her up. Yeah. What have been something who knows how far back Are you going to go with your podcasts historic as far as the or is there no holds barred with regard to how far back you're going to look? No Holds. Okay, so we could have a George Washington, you know, UFO sighting kind of thing or disappear. I can find enough information. Sure. Excellent. Okay, if it's only one article, then maybe not but if I can find like three, four or five articles and yeah, okay. Yeah. Alright, so as far as paranormal activity goes, how much of that is where do you come down on paranormal activity? I've done a few episodes. so far. About paranormal activity. There was one at the beginning where it was really just a lot of like ghost stories. In my area where I live, which is kind of middle of Maryland. And a friend, let me borrow a book that was actually just a lot of paranormal activity in the area. So I covered a lot of topics in there. But right now, I'm really not doing the paranormal side, I've kind of got a little series going on. It's called the cold case road trip. So it's probably like 2930 episodes, I believe, where I travel, all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and five of the inhabited territories, and every week, I cover two of those places and find a cold case in two different locations, hoping one day that maybe somebody knows information about these and they can be solved. Pop quiz to my co host. What are the five inhabited territories? The five inhabited territories? Correct? And we'll do this back and forth. So name one than the other. Okay. You may begin first inhabited territory is US Virgin Islands. We're going to rely on Hannah to judge this because I do not know the answer. Yeah, maybe. Yes. I would say yes. Yeah. That is the most competent judge I've ever heard. Is Guam and inhabit a territory. I don't know what it is. cuz I've done Guam already. are you answering this Jeopardy style? Eric in Samoa? Oh, well done. I'm gonna say the US Virgin Islands. I said that Oh, started with it. I'm gonna say Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico. Yes, we go Porto tough for the fifth. Marshall Island. Yeah, I believe that's the last one. Okay, look at their horn. Yeah, you have a good day. Your fake air horn is better than the real one. Let's just take a moment. Hernan set us up for failure though he thought he had us. He's like, oh, watch how stupid I was look. inhabited territory we took that knocked it out of the park. I will admit you did. But also Hannah, I'm the editor. So none of this will be in the final episode. Yes, you know, this is gonna become Hannah. The Cold Case episode of Five. What happened? What happened to the sale of you Jamie was trying to go people said there was a mystery. There's a missing from that podcast. It's only one original tape has. So let me ask you this. What what? What makes what turns a case cold? Who decides when it's become a cold case? I would say more than likely the reason why it turns into a cold case is because no, either no evidence is found. Or the killer or the person who may be abducted that person hasn't been found. Or I would also say the bodies haven't been found. Have we used up to many bucket ponds yet. So we're I can't grow in an ice bucket challenge. We reached the limits. Cold Case ice bucket. So these artifacts have been in cold storage for the last six months. In my effort to help fight I've done dumping cases. Yeah, you're that's mccobb and morbid. really disgusting. Yeah, I'm ashamed of you. I just asked the question. You took it to the next level. Yeah, that was your intention. So when you're when you're looking in these in these when in your in your road trip around the world, or around the United States? around the lake seasons around the world? Yeah. But the How do you find them? Like how are you? How do you kind of how do you find these you have to in every state that's kind of that's interesting to me that you would be able to find those. So I started off really just going to Google and say typing in cold case, Delaware. And first thing what was coming up and just a regular Google search, search. But then I actually found a website that's called the Charlie project.org. And it is, it is like a nonprofit organization that's run. I believe it's just by a single person where they have, like 1000s of cold cases listed by region and country. So I'll actually just go to that website. Most of the time, the first place, I go and find the state that I'm working in and try and look up any of the cold cases they have listed. There might be some that just have like a one line, this person disappeared on this day, nothing's ever been found. Or they have like four or five pages, which then that makes me think that there's actually more on Google that I could find on this person. I think some states probably have their murder buckets, overflowing maybe. Yeah, I mean, certain stance would but I imagine my runneth over right you don't have Alright, so we do lightning round on this show where we ask rapid fire questions. We They are deep questions, short answers. Oh, okay, we're gonna go practice round. Very easy just to familiarize you with it. And that practice question is clockwise or counterclockwise, clockwise. All right, starting with Jamie. Name an item that you believe would be on Ilan Musk's bucket list riding a camel, would you rather have an amazing wardrobe or an amazing car, an amazing car. I feel like Elon Musk is gonna listen to this and he actually does want to ride a camel. That's funny. I have no worries that Elan musk will not be listening to this. It's not going to be a problem. It's already written a camel. That's right. I have a reasonable degree of certainty that Elan musk employs someone who searches for references to Ilan musk. So now when we listen to print the transcript balances here all the podcasts that you were mentioned on how did she know Ilan go ahead and tweet wanted to write a camera. Alright. But I think the actual answer is lightning round. Are we gonna Well, he already broke it. Okay. You already? Yeah, good. So the answer is Elan musk wants to ride a camel in space. All right, good. timing. All right. Time in. What makes you dislike a person? their character name an item that you believe would be on Jeff gold blooms bucket list. sitting down with the President. Do you have any superstitions? No. What do you think happens after death? I believe our bodies possibly float into space like our spirits. And then if you are a Christian or believe in some sort of God, then you go wherever that God it is. Okay. Maybe not on that you believe would be on Nikki's bucket list getting a bikini wax from another famous celebrity? Absolutely. What's your word? President? President? Answer the supplement answers. You're getting the lightning. How did you know? That was me. That could have been Hannah. Hannah. Hannah. What is your favorite scent? I like the smell of fresh cut grass. Okay. That's a great one. We're not asking you. I'm just telling you. I know. But if you can whisper murder bucket, I can whisper that's a great answer. That was a great answer. Was that Mayor Hannah? You'll never know. Go ahead murder buckets. Let's hear it. So has has researching crimes made you more fearful or more confident? more confident? All right. That's our round. Do you want to go with me? I do have a bonus question of the states that you have investigated so far. Which one do you now want to avoid altogether? I would probably want to avoid Oklahoma To be honest, because after doing more research on now one, it actually seems as though that that area where those people disappeared and the fire broke out, is now completely abandoned. So it seems a little creepy. That seems really creepy. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah. And all the Campbell's stuff. And apparently the question is ridiculous. Yeah. Why do you keep coming back to Campbell, though, of all the like, you've become so many and I'm sorry. Okay, On this episode, and all the presidents. So does it ever? So just talking about true crime as a podcast? genre? Do you feel like there's something and I'm a fan of the genre? Right. But okay, it strikes me as something sad that, you know, there will always be new source material. Oh, definitely. It's 100%. Sad. And I mean, now that I'm a parent, it makes me even more sad knowing that these things are still happening, and that people's lives are being taken away. And that it like you said, it'll never go away. It's never going to get better, because people are just going to keep doing this. But their stories need to be told in the form of the victims, not essentially the people that are doing the crimes. I think that's right. And I think that's one of the really beautiful things about what well, it is a sad thing that there's always material is a great thing. The idea that podcasting, that is you're able to do and reach a lot of people can shed light and maybe to your point bring forth some somebody who knows something, someone who Well, it just it goes it's so the newspaper isn't going to be always as in depth, right. The local local media sometimes can be focused on other things. Sure. And so it is really a way to almost have grass roots, right? crime solving, and keep focused on crimes that should be solved. Correct? Yeah, yeah, and And reaching more and more people with those stories in the hope that someone has something but the podcast called murder buckets all our sheep we encourage you these are these are true crimes podcast that we've enjoyed that we think you guys might want to check out. Do you think that there would ever be a time where you could go to The Container Store? And you'd be like, I'm looking for a murder sighs bucket. Be like, right this one, right this way, sir. This way? Yeah, we have we have all sorts of murder buckets. Yeah. Are you? Are you dismembering? Are you going to go ahead? Is this like crime of passion bucket? Or is this premeditated bucket? Clear? Do you need to be solid? We need an opaque bucket. How long is this bucket? Gonna have to hold the sentence? Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna reach out to those shows and just say you don't even have to pay us. We just want you to some add about your supply buckets. And we'll we'll throw it in. Don't worry. Don't love us. Right, Hannah. It's been a pleasure meeting you sheep. I hope you've enjoyed Hannah as much as we have. The podcast is murder buckets. It's available on all the podcasts. You know, Apple Spotify, is that correct? Yes, apple, Spotify, Google anchor anywhere you can listen, you can get it. Alright guys. So check it out. It's very interesting. Hannah's on her tour, days road trip. So maybe coming soon to a cold case near you find out what creepy stuff has happened in your state. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Thanks a lot. It's been a pleasure. Thanks. So that was Hannah. It was a fun time meeting her. This her podcast is murder buckets. So we talked a lot about where to bucket one bucket of marae murder buckets. But that was the murder bucket podcast. Hannah Palmer is the host more about cats. Right. Alright, she welcome back this portion of the VA cast, we have a very special guest for a lightning round focused, True Crime themed episode of the podcast. Our guest is Katherine Sheffield, she is the host of a few bad apples podcast that is oriented around cases of police brutality that have happened throughout the decades. Obviously, the implication is it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you. Thank you. So so so give me the Give me the overview, I was going to say the implication is a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch. So it's not necessarily saying that police generally are bad, but there are within the ranks of the police some really egregious cases of brutality, that have resulted in some horrible things for people. So the premise of the show is not to be anti police. But if anything, just to spark reform, a lot of departments, they don't really provide too much training. And a lot of times when these calls that we see on TV, they're there, they end up the way that they do because minimal training or you know, a quick jump to get judgment. And so I think that these cases, highlight the where the problems are at and really, hopefully open people's eyes to where we can start with provoking some change. So what makes a good example, circumstance or happening or a case for you for for a good focus of the podcast, I really tried to go with a case where the officer had a long history of problems. I A lot of times I can do some digging and see that in the past there were problems and then you know, nothing happened or very minimal. You know, I guess discipline, and then the officer is allowed to go back onto you know, serve the community and continue to go out on the streets, and then the problem escalate. So I tried to look for a theme where the officer had some problems. It was overlooked. And then it escalated to where it was extremely violent or some, you know, major death or problem. Do you think that there is a risk for police officers, given what they're exposed to on a day to day basis to develop? Yeah, I do. I do. I think now with the media. It's really police are not highly looked upon anymore. They're they're looked at a lot of times as the enemy and it's due to, I think a lot has to do with the media and their portrayal of them. In all the cases that have happened. We don't see a lot of positive stories. And so I try to end every episode with a positive Police Story just to show a little bit of balance that it's not all police officers and there are a lot risking their lives on the line. Alright, so we do lightning round. So this is like deep questions, quick answers. Okay. All right. So we're gonna flow that a little bit. We're gonna have a practice question. Okay. Okay, to kind of set it up, clockwise, or counterclockwise, clockwise. All right, clockwise. Starting with the other Jamie, which TV cop would be most likely to join a police gang? Similar to what you described in your episodes on the LA County Sheriff's Department, Andy sipowicz from NYPD Blue detective Jake Peralta from Brooklyn nine nine. James Crockett from Miami Vice, or chase from Paw Patrol. Um, I have no experience really with any of those shows. So I'm gonna go with Paw Patrol, correct answer when a police officer comes to my door and says he wants to ask a few asked me a few questions. What is the correct answer? Go away. Catherine. Do you know why I pulled you over? No. Apple juice or apple cider, apple juice. Reach for your taser or reach for your pepper spray. Pepper Spray as a child with your parents. Did you have anything in the way of Miranda rights? No. You didn't have the right. As a parent, is that what you're supposed to do when you're here? Go here. We're not we're not judging by read me my rights. No. Yeah. took me a while to figure out that my younger brother was part of my family's deep state. Oh, he was constantly leaking to the authorities. Thank God my kids don't listen to this podcast. Yes, they'd be lightning round people grant rights. All right. Who would you trust more to house it if you were on vacation? comedian Gallagher, Gilbert godfried or Courtney Love. I think currently Courtney Love would have a really good time at my house. So yeah, I would trust her. I hope you're familiar with these these references paunch john, or? Sheriff Taylor. Okay, actually, I'm not familiar with. Okay, so the two the two first officers from the TV show chips. Oh, and then you have The Andy Griffith Show. Oh, okay. Oh, I love Andy Griffith a sheriff. Okay. I wonder if we should have references from this century. Easy, peasy. But I was a kid. Okay, so she knew as soon as I said chips. I one of my worst childhood bike injuries came from trying to emulate punch. Oh, yeah. On a trying to emulate punches injured a number of children. There was an episode where there was some like stunt motorcyclist and he would slide off the back of his bike and hold on to just the seed as he went down the freeway. Don't do it. I tried to. And apparently it's not as easy as it looks on TV. Last lightning quick question, last lightning round question. over or under? How many episodes Do you think your podcast will ultimately be? a? It's 20 per season. So over? All right. I like it. That's the ultimate. Yeah. What it is? Or what number you say? I was kind of like in the over? That's right. Good. Yeah. So help me understand your development as a host was this? You know, you had this idea you got started? Do you realize there's ample space material. I'm actually a teacher by day. I teach high school English. And when COVID hit, I was just able to have a lot of time on my hands. And at that time, there was a lot going on in the news. So I just started researching. I have my dissertation. I mean, I have my doctoral degree, so I know how to research and I just kind of applied it to this program. And here I am. So it really I have no experience in podcasting, other than I've been doing it for one year now. So when you when you research this type of issues with law enforcement, it Do you think it's a newer problem? Do you think or do you think this is a historic problem that's been with us like since beginning of law enforcement, or is it a recent I think it's a long rooted issue in this country? Yes. It's interesting, because I think probably technology has changed the availability of learning more things. So I one of my kids yesterday brought up a new subject that they were conversing in because of Tick Tock. So where I might have watched the evening news or read the newspaper in the morning, they're, they're being exposed to things in ways that we never would have before. Right ability to record and publish something definitely tips, the balance in favor of two sides of an event with that, historically has been in favor of the person writing the report. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. I mean, technology definitely has changed everything. I mean, since Rodney King, when every that was like the first video to ever go viral. And that was before everyone had a cell phone in hand. I mean, so over time, it's changed so much and everyone has a technology readily available on their pocket, you know, so I mean, they can just pull it out and start recording and they can make news with whatever they want to submit. So it's interesting. And again, I want it because I, because I think we could kind of Delve pretty far into the subject, which is okay. I mean, it's okay to kind of dig into that a little bit. But do you? Do you feel like the what what society's expectation of the police is, has changed over time? And I say that from the perspective of, do we do most people think it's the role of a police officer on a scene to be all pieces of the judicial system rolled into one, their determiners of criminality, they're assessors of guilt or innocence. And they are the person charged with carrying out a punishment? I think that they do. I think the expectation is, I mean, I've heard in some cases where there is no like problem with the police, that they people blame the police for the lack of evidence or the way that they collect the evidence. And you know, so I think, I think their expectation on police is, is high. But, you know, I think it all really boils down to the amount of training and how prepared are these people? But you know, the problem is, they are the first people that you are first individuals that we call when there is a problem. So that is where it all, we're where people put all the pressure on them. Because you know, when there's a problem we're going to call 911. And usually they're the ones to respond and take the report. So I mean, I think that it, we should change our view and not put everything on them. But maybe maybe a lot of people really do place high value on them being re all in in the investigation and the way that it will pan out in court, back to your Tick Tock point. And I can't get out of my head the idea of Tom Brokaw Tick Tock dance video, delivering the news. I feel like maybe there'll be more trust in the media on these casters delivered. I'll do a dance video. If nothing else. Yeah, Tom Brokaw could definitely get away with that. Apache Bongo song. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Ding ding, ding, ding. Yeah, here we go. All right. Well, so I guess. Keep up. Keep it on with the podcast. I'll take the over as well. Yes. Where can people find your podcast? It's available on Apple podcast, Spotify anywhere, really? That you get your podcasts? Dear students? Listen, I actually haven't told them that I had a podcast. So keep it on the download. I didn't want to mix business and pleasure. Right. Which one's the business and which one is a pleasure? was a setup? podcast is pleasure. Yeah, side hobby. And the name of the podcast is a few bad apples. We encourage all the sheep to check it out. It's a it's very interesting. It's a very timely topic in our society. And it's an interesting, interesting, I would have if I was a student, and I discovered my teachers podcast. Yes. And it was a few bad apples. Yes, I would simply bring in a bad apple and leave it on. Very cool. Let them know that I'm a listener. That's right. And that or that someone in the class knows somebody knows. I know what you did last time. somebody knows I know what you did over COVID. They actually listen to podcasts these days. So I don't know what kids are doing. I think that they're just spending time doing Tick Tock and not really listening to True Crime podcasts. But that could just be me and my assumption of them. No, that's not true. There. They are knee deep in podcast subscriptions. They're coming for you, Catherine. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We appreciate it. Catherine Sheffield, the host of a few bad apples podcast. Check it out if you have an interest in hearing both positive examples and some real life examples of where things got sideways in police interactions. Thanks a lot, Catherine. Thank you. All right. Well, that was a few bad apples a really interesting house. We've got a very exciting show for you sheep. We're going to be hitting all the all stars of the true car. It's all true crime. All episodes all day we're gonna find out so it's bought where bodies are buried, where people have gone missing How to Get Away with Murder. I don't know how to so if you're listening here with crime in your heart, this is not the episode and quite frankly, I don't ever want to find out that somebody committed crime and they'll be like Andy was a fan of the podcast. So he will learn how to do it from you. Okay, you keep that a secret cheap. But we will be back with additional guests here in a special lightning round focused, True Crime edition here of the soccer talk. I don't go anywhere she broadcast back from the break. This is a very Special True Crime focused lightning round only episode of the podcast Jamie bendele Jamie Hernan Adam Hague. We are joined this segment by the hosts of open shutters. A creepy podcast scary ghosts, creepy serial killers, all things that go bump in the night. Barry Marino, Philip Landry, Jennifer Lynn are the hosts guys. Welcome to the show. Ah, thank you. Thanks for having us. Yeah, all right. Yeah. So you guys record this in New Orleans? Yes, well, yes, we do. All right. And you maintain now Now what is the second most haunted city in America? Well, it probably be Salem, Massachusetts I would say Yeah. Could be Charleston yeah doesn't really matter because no witch trials and everything but whatever city it is it's a distant second to New Orleans. Oh, everything's adjusted second to do all D You can't walk down the streets even not even in the suburbs without feeling some type of paranormal activity because of the river the water however it's got all the deaths that has happened in history here you know, we've been had two wars on on our our soil. We had the yellow fever or the most recent thing Hurricane Katrina, and let's not forget the crime people getting shot all. Barry Marino is not from New Orleans. I can tell with the accent No. accent is 100% New Orleans. Where are you from? I used to live in Jersey. There we go. I hear a little bit of Jersey in there. But our our our accent is much more similar to New Jersey that the television would have you know, okay, I believe that I'm important and that's just not because New Orleans was also once the number one New Jersey crime syndicate relocation city and right. Well, you know, I mean, I'm tallying, you know, we cannot say that Italian. I'm not sure that what Barry just said is sanctioned by the New Orleans visitors and convention Bureau. What about the death and the people getting shot? I used to be a tour guide we talked to a guy we talked about the death on top is dead everywhere. We have second lines where people party and cut up and have fun on the way back from a funeral. Absolutely. I think that's the greatest tradition ever. Yeah, uh, we live. Yeah, yes. Yeah, we are. We got like, we got to watch our language. We can't get to blue here. knows you. Like you can say what we got the big e tag all over our podcast. So Oh, yeah. So I can say whatever I fucking like, right? That's right. All right. So let's talk about the podcast a little bit. What was the genesis of you guys coming together and starting off and shatters well fell a bit. Jennifer's my cousin Philip and I have been friends for about five years now. And I got into podcasts during the pandemic. I felt listened to them. And I got I really liked this one called morbid, a true crime content. True Crime podcast with Ashley and Elaine are they one of my favorites. So you can hear a lot of influence in our show. And I said, You know, I could do that. You know, you could only binge watch Tiger King so many times before. Some lions I gotta get me some is there you know, Carol Baskins, one of them if you have a listen to this Carol Baskin, definitely one of the targets. Oh, excellent. Anyway, I got Philip together. Phil, do you like to do a podcast and so I've always been a true crime buff and I said, you know, let's do true gram acid. What better thing to open it with? But madonn will la Ray What do you think of that? You know, the woman that tortured her and slave servants in the attic, which she was played by Kathy Bates is American Horror Story. We do here as part of our podcast and icebreaker rapid fire lightning round kind of questioning thing. deep questions, quick answers. So okay, we can either do this where all three of you answer each question, which is fine. Or we can only way we can do it. Oh, that's the only way we can do this. Okay, so each question is going to need three answers. Okay, great. All right. What's the question? All three of us. We're going to do a practice question. Just to kind of get you warmed up. All right. Okay, practice question. clockwise, or counterclockwise. Clockwise. Clockwise. counter clockwise. I was afraid of that. Clockwise. Okay. All right. So clockwise, starting with Jamie. All right. The worst sound for a morning alarm clock. fingernails on a chalkboard or a baby crying. Oh, fingernails, fingernails. fingernails. Okay? fingernails so fingernails. Best creepy movie. Oh, I have to say often. It's a hard pick from my childhood killer clowns from outer space. It's funny. Interesting. The original Neither the living dead Oh, like that well played. Yes. What is the name of your pirate ship? Oh whoa my would be like Big Easy berry go Jennifer Queen reasons why just called the black hole you guys worse voice to wake up to on a hotel wake up call the character Janice from friends or Jar Jar Binks. Oh, Janice. Oh yeah, George our one, Janice. Yeah, I'm the Janice. Okay. satanic worshiping, is it actual or is it just an excuse to kill people? actual? actual definitely actual, actual. Okay. Could you find anyone in New Orleans? Who would not respond to that with the answer actual? No, probably not. All right. As a child, did you ever manage to pin one of your true crimes on a sibling? Oh, God. Yes. All the time. I had two older brothers only child. I have two younger brothers. I did it all with them. Do you know that when I was my parents would tell you this story and not that you've ever talked to my parents. But my parents tell the story of when I was an only child. I blamed an imaginary friend for scribbling on the wall. And they're like, you know this and I was like, Sam and George. I had two imaginary friends. George and I was like Sam and George did. My brother used to blackmail us. Worst song to be played at a funeral Highway to Hell by ACDC. Or another one bites the dust by Queen. Oh god Highway to Hell definitely. I think both are appropriate songs play a highway to hell. You're home alone and you hear a noise or see something. What is the scariest noise or site that you can think of? When you're home alone? Oh, I am calling wolf. Okay, um, I guess my barking dogs. We have one more howling and barking dogs. What was the other one? fell by they get cheap. Oh, me. Oh, no. I said I have a cat. So there's always noises happening. Nothing scares you. Okay. All right. Think back on the fashion trends that you personally have rocked of those. We older pads. Lady craziest. All right. Shoulder Pads. Okay, those parachute pants in the early 90s. Please, hammer Oh, don't hurt them. God though. I think I think back in the day it was that Alexis Look, I had padded shoulders, big earrings, high heels. The whole Falcon Crest. Type look interesting. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Very good. Bonus Question. I come to New Orleans. It's dusk. I want to go out and have a good time. Where am I going in New Orleans? To to meet up with some people that that might someday be described on your podcast? The corner definitely the French Quarter. at any particular place? fat. Oh, what's it? Harry's corner? Harry's corner. Okay. All right. super creepy. Do I get a bonus round question. You were watching the golden later. Oh, golden land and that's kind of creepy. Hold. On, Barry. What's that barn Bourbon Street that's mixed gay and straight. I couldn't be any of them. I think mixing bars where you have gay people and straight people getting along having well like the black Patty on Bourbon Street. I mean, is a good example. Yeah. Okay. It's a hipster place. hipsters are the scariest sort. I can be creepy. Alright, do you think so? Is this my bonus round question, because we don't know. We haven't heard it yet. All right. deeth. Speaking of tourists, do you think ghosts can be tourists? Yeah, I don't see why not sure. Yes. Most likely, it's gonna be easier if they're attached to an object. I agree. Yes. But they're usually tethered to their place to death or tethered to their childhood home. So they're more tethered locally, but it's possible to travel why not their spirits? Interesting. Alright, so I will acknowledge that I am not barely very ghost sophisticated. No, I guess my knowledge of ghosts. That's right. So are you saying that ghosts tend to stay where the thing that happened to them happened? Yes, usually they do but they get attached to a person or an object and move along with a bike. There's a cemetery around the corner from my house and Shirley Goodman who saying good times roll in shame, shame, shame. She's buried there. And one day, we decided to be real creep shoes and walk through that cemetery at midnight. And after that her song started playing in my house. Without on the phone on the TV, everything without even coming from an app or anything. They just start playing. Come on. Yeah. Yeah, true story. Bonus. Bonus Question. Hey, do the blue bottle sculptures actually work to either trap or ward off spirits? Yeah, really? Do? Yes. No, I know, people that actually do use that practitioners. Yes. Okay. So tell people where they can find your podcast. We can be found on Spotify, Apple breaker, Google. Anchor, which is where we record from anchor and that's also our one and only sponsor, and pretty much any way you find the podcast. Alright, so if you are a fan or listener of true crime podcasts and you like something that is thematic by month, sometimes by subject matter and always a little creepy, always a little creepy. We have sheep. They have creeps. Yep. Fans of the podcast check out open shutters a creepy podcast. Appreciate Barry, Jennifer and Philip. joining us for this episode. Thanks, guys for being a part of enjoy the view for me. Thank you. You're welcome. We'll see you guys. Thank you so much. Thanks, guys. YouTube. All right, that was the host of open shutters a creepy podcast. I think I could I could see myself going to New Orleans then calling a bearing and being like, Alright, let's do this. Let's just get creeping. Alright, cheap. Check him out if you want creepy. We're gonna be back with more of the podcast right after this. Welcome back to the podcast. This is a very special episode of the podcast. We are true crime focused this episode. We are doing lightning rounds with some of the hosts of the more interesting and noteworthy True Crime podcasts that you can find when you're not listening to the podcast. This segment we have with us the host of the podcast final days on Earth. Claire St. amant. Season One focused on the life and death of Damien Hurd. And Claire, welcome to the podcast. Thanks so much for having me. Glad to be here. Alright, so you are a little different, perhaps than some people who begin podcasts in that you have a background as an investigative journalist and producer, right? Correct. Yes, I've been with CBS News 48 hours since 2014. And so I do investigative crime producing for them for their Saturday Night Show. And you know, this was one of those cases that didn't fit in the 48 hours formula. And it was just stayed in my file as a really interesting case, and one that I always thought would make a great story. But it wasn't going to be a 48 hours episode. And so it surprised me as much as anyone that it became a podcast, but I'm glad that that's where it ended up. Which format do you like better? So I mean, that's like picking a favorite child. It's it's very difficult for me, but I'm leaning towards the podcast at the moment. Alright, so you had a lot of source material to work with here for your season one, right? I did. Yes. I had a 187 page police report. And I had 47 witness interviews that the Gunnison police department did and release to me some of those were were video and audio and some were just audio, and some were just written reports on their conversation. Are you ever struck by maybe what ultimately turns out to be how tenuous life is? Definitely, definitely. I you know, one of the things that I say, since I've had this job is that I'm grateful for every day that doesn't end in disaster. Do you think that there's something about the true crime genre that makes it so popular with people you know, I think that death is always going to be fascinating to people, you know, in, in the idea of a life being taken, you know, prematurely violently, unexpectedly, I think, is something at our core that we all fear. So it appeals to, you know, just start human nature and the idea that, you know, everyone dies that, you know, no one lives forever, and and how people die, you know, matters and it affects people. And so it's something that, you know, I think it's a tale as old as time. You know, there's always been as long as there have been people around, you know, there, there have been murdered So, it It definitely is a large genre to to be in. When you think about the difference between the television versus the podcasts, what what are stories that are going to be better in the podcast format than in the TV format? So for example, the one that you're doing right now why was it not a great candidate for for for the TV? Yeah, so the one I'm doing right now is just way too complicated for television. Like even the best True Crime television show, which, of course, I'm going to say is 48 hours. You know, it has an hour long episode on one case, and with commercial breaks, we get about 42 minutes. And that sounds like a lot of time, but my podcast is like seven hours. Right? Right. And so when 42 minutes, you can't really tell a very complicated story. A lot of the podcasts that we've been the true crime podcast years, we've been taught to do different crimes every every episode, or sometimes they take two episodes on a single crime, you're you're taking a different approach where you're doing a single issue or a single crime, and following it for multiple episodes, because of the depth and the in depth of the of the information through your podcasts. Are you coming across other crimes that you were interested in that you're saying, okay, we're gonna have that for season two? Well, that for season three, and because these guys, other people just feast on it, they think, oh, that's our next episode. You're, you're committing months and months? Well, single crime? Yeah. Well, but that I think that goes back to the idea of if something so in your process, is it? Is there a hierarchy that says pitch first for television, television rejected? Is it podcast candidate? Or are there things where you're like, I'm not I'm gonna save this, because I'm working on this different, like, what's the, what's that development process? like for you? Yeah, that's an interesting question. And it's something that I'm still figuring out, you know, I started at 48 hours, seven years ago, and I just started the podcast in April. So I haven't had to really deal with that tension before. But, you know, to me, I see them as pretty different types of stories, you know, so, I mean, my first loyalty would have to be to my full time employer. So I can't, you know, take stories from them to give him my podcast, but really, I see them as different types of stories. So I don't like final days on Earth, the franchise that I created, you know, is about unresolved crimes, were crimes were someone in the case intimately involved with it believes that justice was not served. And so in this season, it's Damien's father, who says, I'm not convinced that my son committed suicide, I feel like he was murdered. I feel like there was foul play. Now, there's obviously a completely different opinion to have about that case. And that's the case, the opinion that the Gunnison Police Department has, that it's a suicide and that it's closed. So that, you know, disagreement is really what makes the podcast work, because it's not clear cut. I don't believe that there's, you know, one, right, you know, flashing red light answer to this case yet. And I hope that we get to a point where we feel like we have enough evidence one way or the other to actually say, you know, this is what happened to Damien Hurd. And to say, if it was, you know, foul play, or if it was suicide, like the police believe, and, you know, I think that, that that's a cause that that anybody should get behind. If truth is the goal, you know, you there's really nothing to be afraid of. So that's, you know, that's what I see in my next season, I will have a second season that will come out in 2023. And I'm looking at a case pretty strongly an unsolved murder case, in Texas that I think I'm gonna do, I'm really, really feeling that one right now. But I'm not going to give away any, any names or details, because I'm not official. Do you feel like this tension between sort of what the official story is, and what a personal belief might be? Where there's where there's tension between those two things? Do you feel that just generally in life, that having resolution is what's important? In other words, the outcome doesn't change, right? The person is still dead, right? But is it? But is it this sense of accountability changes? Is it like what dry? What drives the tension? To me, it's just about answering questions. You know, I I want to ask every question, and I want to get as many answers as possible. And so, you know, I like to live in the the gray area of crimes, I like to look at crimes that don't have easy answers. And so for me, you know, the tension of finding out what happened I think, in a lot of ways, you know, for the stories I'm looking at, it's it's gonna be some objective, you know, yes, we know someone is dead now how they died, why they died and when they died, I'm open to people reaching their own conclusions about that, you know, me included. How do you how do you balance not being perceived by the family of the victim as an advocate versus being a storyteller? The journalistic approach to the story? Yes, that that is definitely one of the biggest challenges of what I'm doing. And I feel like every single time I talk to Damien's Dad, I make a point of saying, I have to go down every road, I have to look at every possibility, or else I wouldn't be doing my job. And, you know, I wouldn't have done the podcast, if I didn't think there was a possibility that there was foul play. I absolutely believe that is one of the possibilities. But I'm not the one, you know, planting my flag and saying, This is murder, I won't do that. And just like, I won't plan it and say, This is suicide, you know, I want to say, these are all the different things that we know that happened. This is the timeline. These are the witnesses. These are the statements, you know, this is the evidence, and I want to hear, you know, different perspectives and feel like, I've listened to everyone. And you know, I hope at the end of the day, that even I come to a conclusion, but I'm one of those, you know, gray gray area people I'm, I'm okay, if I don't feel like I 100% know what happened. As long as I've explored all the options, you know, then then I'll be satisfied. All right, so let's transition into something that we do here on our podcast. And of course, we encourage people to become listeners and fans of final days on Earth. So we're so we do lightning round. So lightning round is deep, deep questions, short answers. We're gonna do a practice one. All right. Okay. All right. First, lightning round practice question is clockwise, or counterclockwise, or clockwise, all the way clockwise all the way. All right. So starting with Jamie, Claire, you find out that you are in your final days on Earth, but you can reverse your course of fate and not be doomed. But that would mean that Australia was subjected to a zombie apocalypse that was contained to the continent. What do you do? Oh, man, I think I'd fall on my sword. I take my final days on earth clear. so brave. I like her. Which activity? Would you like to be good a lesson from an expert in any activity I'm supposed to give? You know, you just fight. Yeah, you can learn from an expert. What's the activity you want to learn? Oh, man, I don't maybe surfing. Cool. What has taken up too much of your life expense reports. You find out that you are in your final days on Earth. Do you return your overdue library books? No. Which mystery or unsolved case would you like most like to know the truth about? Oh, man, that's an excellent question. Gosh, I've got a testimony. I know. Adam got an excellent question. Thank you. Thank you, sheep. Go ahead. Stop dancing in the past year. Everybody else always gets the excellent questions. I got an excellent question. Good night. No, go ahead. Sorry. Quick. You know, when I was a kid, you know, I grew up in a religious home. And I remember, they said, what would you ask God when you got to heaven? And I said, Did oj do it? So maybe, maybe I'll stick with that. Okay. I like it. What's the biggest financial mistake you've made? Who? I'm pretty thrifty. So I don't have a huge one. I'm probably buying too expensive running shoes. Okay. You find out that you're in your final days on Earth. Oh, my goodness. And you can get a tattoo that will be free and it'll be painless. And probably no one will ever see it. So it's just for you. What do you get tattooed? You know, I'm pretty proudly unlinked. I don't think I would get a tattoo. Fair enough. If you could spend Saturday morning watching any cartoon what would it be? I always liked Doug. Okay, Doug, it is it is. What's something that people are afraid of? But you are not. Hmm. Gosh, I don't know. You stumped me. tattoos, spiders. Shoes, you just chooses not to do tattoos. She's not scared of them. Would you I know. And would you like an alternate question? I would like an alternate going with the alternate alternate question. backup question. What's something that scares you on a daily basis? sneezing while driving. Very Delancey, the backup question worked high speed sneezing is Claire, thank you for for joining us. Where do people find your your podcast? So you can find it on any podcast platform, Apple podcast, Spotify podcast, one, you can always go to final days on earth.com to get the latest killer website, by the way. Thank you. So she, we encourage you to check out the final days on Earth. Claire, we've learned a little bit something about your host. So you now know the host pretty well from her answers to our lightning questions. So you can feel like you know the host as you go ahead and listen to this interesting, interesting story. And next season, she's got another one coming. Alright, we appreciate it Claire's final days on earth podcast. Check it out wherever you prefer to subscribe to your favorite podcast, Claire sanem. On to continued success. We wish you the best of luck, and thanks for joining us on the podcast. Thanks so much. Alright, so that was Claire St. amant. Alright, so that is going to do it for the this segment of the BA cast final days on earth do check it out. It's a very interesting story. It is extremely well produced. I encourage you very much to check out the true crime podcast final days on Earth, hosted by Claire St. Lamont the podcast return. Alright, that's gonna do it for this episode of the podcast. We do appreciate you listening to the podcast and we know that you guys are fans of what we do. And so we appreciate that we are one of America's premier lifestyle oriented podcasts, right. And while we have focused occasionally on a single alternate genre like tonight, true crime, we do hope that you maybe check some of those podcasts out and give some consideration into which ways you might be able to help bring some resolution, particularly those that focus on cold cases. Because you know, they always say see something, say something they do indeed. And now you kind of know the hosts as you listen to those podcasts. Yeah, so do follow them on their socials become subscribers to the podcast. Don't wander too far away from the block where you started. 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