People around here trust the shepherd, Jamie, Adam, and do other Jamie. They always have the sheep trust to gather around another log on the fire. Turn it up just to touch on another episode of the podcast is starting now. Alright she we have a great vodcast episode that is about to start. We are focused on True Crime perhaps the most popular genre of podcasts out there. We have gathered some interesting hosts interesting stories that you might want to learn more about. What do we do with them? We do lightning round only. This will be our focus on a trooper episode of the podcast. Lightning rounds on more Athens. Welcome back to the podcast. Our guests. This segment are the hosts of ye old crime podcast, Lindsay and Madison. Just a couple of Midwestern girls interested in the spooky the strange and surreal stories of the past. Hmm. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you for having us. Welcome. We all do the same thing. Right when we tried to come up with how to describe the podcast we're the people on the podcast, the person who's coming and listening. You kind of do like a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup thing with Lindsey loves all things true crime. Yes. Good story. Together, put your true crime story. Oh my gosh, your true crime got my good story. My good story got in here true crime. You're like, Oh, this is delicious. Alright, so. So what makes tragedy of the past so compelling? I think just hearing the stories and then read like realizing just how similar they actually are to current events. Like you think of the past and you think of these cases and crimes that took place and you're like, there's, there's no way that kind of thing would happen now or that's just so ridiculous that whatever that was happened, but then when you really like kind of boil down into it, it's like, is it isn't really, that kind of happened yesterday? Yeah. I love Yak that up until say the 70s you could get away with crimes by moving out of town. Exactly. Right. Yeah. Like that's impossible. I think that's actually in the Bible, that if you committed certain crimes, you just had to move to particular cities. Right? And you were safe from literally get out of dodge was the phrase right? I have an idea now that I'm thinking about it, which could be maybe like a Saturday Night Live ish, skit promise, and it's a earlier time than modern time traveling detective. And he shows up from the 1950s. And he's like, we're never going to be able to solve this because the main suspect moved. Never gonna be able to find him. Cold Case this at least five people need to walk through the crime scene, right? Somebody eat the pie that they were eating before they got murdered. Right. That turns out the investigator actually did the murder. It was his third family. He had to cut him off. I think about the concept of the alternate family that lived like I ended up and I'm not saying this is the case. But the the stereotypical like Manhattan lawyer by day and trusting family man in Long Island. And it's like you crossed one bridge and created an entire another family. Nobody saw you a two little league games. And they're like, Nope, never happened. Never happened. That guy? Yeah, it was my stat. Yeah. We're never gonna figure it out. It's crazy to think of how many people have been kept out of jail by a mustache. I mean, it looks just like him other than the facial hair. Can't be alright, see his cousin beyond the peanut butter and the chocolate. Let's try to learn a little bit about the podcast. I was just gonna ask that question. I know. That's why I wanted to kind of give you the setup the question for the question a little. So did you have something you want to add? Well, I was thinking that we could ask them about the podcast. We should definitely ask like, how did they come up with the podcast? You know, we'd like to talk about our podcast if that's a great idea. Let's do that now. Good idea. Finally, Madison flies in with one Thank you, Madison. Let's go. Alright, so what was the genesis how to come about? Tell people who are unfamiliar Madison, I both have a great love and deep respect for lower, which was kind of our gateway podcast into the giant realm that is podcasting. And it was kind of an idea that I've been kicking around for a long time because he covers a lot of older cases, which kind of made me think, you know, there are a lot of things that happened in history that no one ever really talks about, or knows much of anything about. And, you know, pretty much everyone has a more current True Crime podcast. Not to say that those aren't also great, but I was just like, you know, there's just something about historic crimes that just kind of really call to me. And then of course, COVID hit. And I reached out to Maddie and was like, hey, do you want to do a podcast? I had nothing else to do. So I agree. And that's how it started. Do you think that the true crime genre is a more American phenomenon? Or is it a worldwide phenomenon? Is people's fascination with crime? Really? boundaryless? I think it's boundaryless. Like, one of the first things that kind of shocked me was we have listeners all across the globe. And I think, you know, we've we've collaborated once already with people in Europe, and I think, I think generally, people are just interested in crimes, and like, what people are capable of. So I never thought about the idea of saying, Okay, guys, let's start a true crime podcast. And to ensure that we have content, let's focus on crimes and the worst policed country, you would never run out of content. That's what I mean. It would be unlimited content, and they'd be like, Yeah, I know. We live here. You're all in South Florida man of podcast. So Florida, man, a podcast. Exactly. So do you think that sincere sentiments can be made creepy? Just because you whisper them? Oh, yeah. 100% Yeah, we believe the same thing. We've been whispering we've been having fun. I think I'm going to start using the whisper more. Oh, absolutely. The whisper is a powerful weapon. Yeah. I think you should do an outgoing voicemail message for whisper. Like whisper yelling. No, I would just go for that, like ASMR video, right? Like, thank you for calling my voicemail. I'm in a meeting right now. And I can't back up so creepy. I don't want to interrupt the other people. That's why I must bring in this voicemail. I swear I'm not in the bathroom. Boots. Wash sale. So I'm shocked by the number of people who have to who conduct phone calls in the bathroom. Right? Oh, it's the bathroom. give that away. So like if you immediately know when you're talking to. There's something about a shower and all the porcelain in that room that immediately mixes up the account but I'm saying public bathrooms. Oh, public bathroom. That's outrageous. Okay, that's that's not okay. But yeah, but are on speakerphone. Not Okay. Why are you a lie on? I swear to God, like, do any of you guys listen to Tom Segura? His bit about people that talk on speakerphone is 100% accurate? Like everyone who talks on speakerphone and like walks around and assumes that everybody else cares about their conversations, needs to either get hit by a car or be like shipped off somewhere else. So they can have their like speakerphone conversations around everybody else. Because it is so annoying. I couldn't agree more worse. I couldn't agree more. I'd say in FaceTime calls in the bathroom or are taboo. Well, I mean, let's just let's just talk a FaceTime audio or FaceTime video. Are you saying it's full FaceTime? During the flush? Oh, you gotta be respectful. There is a lot. That's consensual. I mean, yeah. There's a lot of faith that goes into that mute button. Yeah, this is very true. Yeah. So I know we've gotten off. By with great power comes great responsibility, right? We just restarted our over 40 Basketball League. And because it's the summer session, we've kind of merged two teams and we've had one game so far, and we're just going Why did you bring that? I don't know where it was. It was a true crime. Mystery of where all the baskets went. Maybe you planning something? Yeah. What's the inhaler is actually filled with helium. And it doesn't help. Oh, my God. Great idea. He's like, what is the old trouble but you're also hilarious right now. Okay. Back to their podcast. Honey, what is the oldest you guys want to go with a pot with a true crime? I mean, how far back we're talking Roman times we're talking to gyptians. How far back Are we going for true crime? I think that we've done is Roman. Okay. Yeah. All right. Let's go to the lightning round. It's time to do lightning round. These are deep questions, quick answers. I'm optimistic that this shall be good content here. With Lindsey Massa. We're gonna do practice question, the practice question each of you have to answer all the questions. And the practice question is clockwise or counter clockwise, clockwise. counter. I like chaos. What the hell are we gonna do now? I'm going to go clockwise with one and counterclockwise with the other beginning with Jamie, would you put butter upon bacon? It's too opulent. It's just too much. If it's on a BLT I absolutely would. That was her question. So now, who went clockwise? I went, Oh, no, we're not doing that. No, we are. So Lindsay went clockwise. So I'm Lindsay. A cop comes to your door and wants to ask you a few questions. What's the right answer? I don't know. Yes, that's exactly the right answer. All right, Madison, what is normal now that will be considered unethical and barbaric? In 100 years, shaking hands. All right back to Jamie. I think we're at Adam now. Yeah, word Adam. Adam, Adam. Yeah. Adam to Madison. What is scarier? When you're home alone? Finding a dead bunny in a pot or hearing a toilet flush upstairs the by? Okay. Are you referring to a murder bucket? Lindsay? What is normal now that will be considered unethical and barbaric and 100 years driving? Back to you, Jamie. This is for both of you. With a bit of Molly grubs. Tell us how annoyed you are to be on the podcast. I'm not annoyed at all, sir. Excellent. On a scale of one to get the hell out. I am a Thea tomorrow. I don't know. Adam has no idea. Jamie. My question whose my question for you start with Lindsey. Okay, Lindsay. Which childhood trauma affected you the most? Probably that time that I tried to drown my sister thinking that she was an A B Jesus. Yeah, we tried to walk on water after learning about it in Sunday school. Oh, I love this. How comfortable are you right now are like really good guy. No, I'm actually not uncomfortable. Like I feel like that should be an entire episode. There's talk about a lot. Yeah. In part two of our interview, crime was we ruined our dad's boots and he can never buy a pair like that again. Oh, we learned a valuable lesson. Don't try to draw on yourself. I like the fact that you asked Lindsey that question. Madison. Madison hands went went straight up. Yes. I am honestly surprised you didn't say the time I ran into the doorknob. And I like blood was coming down my nightgown and she saw me at the top of the staircase just bleeding. Oh, wow. That wasn't traumatic for you know another day we're gonna step aside you guys talk about that. let's dissect that for a second right. Mr. Battle? Madison. Yeah, who do you act nice around, but secretly dislike Hold on. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna put Lindsay in a private room for a second now. It's definitely not her I would know. Select co workers selected co workers and they'll never know because I'm nice to all of them. Madison What is your lucky Do you have a lucky number and if so, what is it? Right always happened to pick 17 Okay, Lindsay Who do you act nice around but secretly dislike you put me in that other room? I mean, I love you. Secret secretly this lackey might be why she was not moved by the bleeding medicine. for you is secret. Are we back to I'm gonna have to second Mattie's answer their letters, co workers, co workers that I am overly nice to as I hide my rage deep inside. Do you work? Do you both work at the same place? No. Okay, now because if you did, I would love to see the Venn diagram of people you secretly dislike. It probably be about the same whether there would be danger zone to be like oh my god. Do you like Bob? Bob is more miserable. Why is he not in yours? Secret dislike list. Okay, Jamie, back to you. Third question. What would your pirate name be? Scarlet? Oh hallahan. Oh, I like it. Just a little How nice. Madison to you. Oh, mine was just thump thump the pirates on the pirate. Do you have some sort? To peg legs? Yeah. You know she's coming here. Coming from a mile away to the fog. I heard some Scarlett O'Hara and you know folks are coming by If you pitched me Are we not doing whitening? If you pitch to me on shut down on a semi animated movie about thump the pirate starring Russell Brand as thump the pirate I would be so in I remember writing checks Yeah, I hear that movie. Oh my god, it's a pirate. You got to say TMT MTM after that, no. Yeah, all right, Europe. No, I'm done. I'm not abiding. But my question here is what's the secret? You have never told anyone. While you're pondering that was boxing Atlanta about thump. Now, back to you. I almost killed the chipmunk once I didn't feel bad about it. Anyway, um, she's a chipmunk that's like, I think to be fair, to give you some background to be fair. They antagonize my dogs, to the point where it's like a real problem. And they hide in like the downspouts of my gutters. So then my dogs like rip them off the side of the house. So when I caught it, I didn't feel real bad about catching it, and like chucking it into the woods. That's my house. Cuz I was like, Who does? snack once? He did want me to kid melatonin to a kid as a snack. Well done. This kid would not shut up. To go to bed. It was wondering why that one tasted like flowers. All natural ways to avoid your sister's hair your other kids said to do it so well. Then. If my other kid said to drug my other kid, then it's probably okay. I mean, as the aunt I you've listened to her. Hey, listen. You should know that my mother throws chipmunks. Yeah, yeah. My mom's chipmunk. Totally. My brother little Loki. Loki mela, by the way, that is the most patient babysitter ever slow acting time release melatonin. No, there is no like, Hey, no, we're out of cherry syrup. But there's this Benadryl that's here in the cabinet. We're gonna have that on our ice cream. You can't rub you know, some brandy on the gums anymore. So you got to do what you got to do. But I love you. It's Yeah, I probably would have done it too. I would never be so brave as to dip my finger in brandy and stick it in another person's mouth. That will be the crime and it is the crime now. Right? I suppose. Yeah. My mother did that to me all the time. Rub brandy in your mouth. She was a big fan of jack daniels will solve all problems. And so she would like if I had a toothache or if I had any kind of headache or anything. She'd be like, let me just here. She'd be putting it wasn't that in Utah? It was it wasn't Utah. She's European. Those are like they had a relationship with alcohol. That's like, just give them alcohol. Everything will be great. Like No, no, no, don't worry. We're not drinking it. I'm just using it on the baby. Yeah, just just a little jack for the kid. little old number seven. It's just topical. It's fine. topical whiskey. Yeah. I mean, everybody loves topical whiskey. Right? I mean, it was I mean, think about how many doctors were prescribing topical whiskey. Yeah. Back in the day gunshot wounds and stabbings and all kinds of civil war. You don't think they were asking for anybody got a bottle of whiskey? Yeah. Mm hmm. All the time. All right. So uh, what do we have upcoming old crimes? What can your listeners our listeners look forward to? Hey, guys, what's new in the world of old crime? What's new in the world of old things? Oh, man, should I leave? It's always supposed to be a surprise for me. Oh, okay. That's true. Well, I did a private room I can give you an idea of some of the things that are going to be coming up we're going to very soon be covering some social unrest that's come up that results in some murders that's never happened murder happens now love social unrest that gives rise to murders but right now through the end of July we're still doing listener pics episodes like from everybody who donated to our equipment fund. We as a thank you allow like we're like here pick an episode that we can dedicate to you as a thank you for helping us purchase our equipment. So they buy me shoes. Yes. Nice. Oh, just kidding. I control the funds. So yeah. She does I haven't eaten in three days. Send help and whiskey medical only send help via Patreon or buy me a coffee. literal coffee please buy me just just like other buy me coffee button. Alright guys, we do appreciate it. Head over and listen to become a subscribers and be notified when there are new episodes available with the Madison. We sure do appreciate it cheap Watch out there run a Patreon scam though for coffee. We want a trampoline. Oh. Okay, sheep, if it serves you coffee as you jump on it. Oh, innovative. I've been looking for one of those. Alright, but, ladies, it's been a pleasure having you and sheep head over to yield crime. All right, we appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Yeah, nice to be good. It was fun. All right, Lindsay Madison, hosts of IE old crime bite, we are going to be back with additional hosts of additional True Crime podcasts right after this. All right, the BA cast continues. This is our true crime focused episode lightning rounds mostly. Our next guest is the host of complicit a true mystery podcast hosted by Hilary Wadsworth. Hilary, welcome to the podcast. Thanks. Thanks for having me. All right, so let's give the quick synopsis of your podcast and what it is about. Yes, so um, our podcast, it's I have a co host, Caitlin. And our podcast is about the mysterious disappearance of a young woman named Lauren tumalo, who vanished mysteriously and her disappearance remains unsolved and full of layers and clues and people who are keeping quiet. And it's it's just remained a mystery. So we walk you through everything going on in Laurens life, just prior to her disappearance about a month before. And continue on with the case and all of the crazy things that come up as the detectives began investigating. Alright, so what what was the prompt or the genesis of your decision to start the podcast? So we know the missing woman's half sister, and we saw a Facebook post and thought, well, this is strange. We're True Crime lovers our entire lives. We grew up together co hosts tonight. So we knew we shared this interest. We started to, you know, googling and Zynga deep diving on people's social medias and seeing whenever we could figure out on our own. And then it just got to a point after evidence had been planted under people's noses mysteriously that we got to a point where we're like, we have to tell this story. And we thought, hey, maybe we can make the sound really good. Tell the story. It's certainly interesting enough, and get it in front of a greater audience, which we actually have done. But from Europe, like from a personal background perspective, like what made you feel like, Alright, this is the one that I want to tackle. Right? When I'm, I mean, we've talked about how podcasts are sort of like garage bands for dads don't play instruments. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lower barrier to entry. Every time we were obsessed with the case long before, I mean, not that long. But in the case, she disappeared June 19 2020, we launched our podcast, February 3 2021. So it's pretty recent. And we were just so so obsessed with the case and thought podcasting was such a lower barrier to entry. You could get a mic record, it is for dads, exactly what you're saying. And we made it sound good with a production company. And I mean, that's, that's how we told the story. We had an in with the families since we knew the pastor. So we were able to get access very quickly to those around her, her friends, her family. Even the detectives were talking to us at first, and then they shut up pretty quickly. After listening to the podcast, they didn't like how they're being portrayed, which, you know, we we tried to stay very neutral and everything and just tell the facts. So it's interesting that they didn't like the facts that were being told. But that's another story. So this is a cart before the horse, right? The idea is they didn't start a podcast and then find their case, you guys had the case. And that in that gave rise to the podcast. That's right, because we were obsessed with the case, like I said, and helping to find out what happened and connect some dots, but remotely. So every time we would, it's all we talked about with anyone we met, basically, we were like, did you hear about this girl who went missing and this and then and, you know, everyone would sort of look at us whoever we were telling and say, you know, this is a book. This is a movie and then finally we were like no, this is a podcast and we thought, you know, we don't have an answer. Now this was was back then. So we thought, well, it's it's an evergreen thing that we could just keep adding episodes when we do find out more information like a book or a movie, you know, that is after the fact that doesn't really help. It doesn't put pressure we happen to know for a fact that some persons of interest in the case listen to the podcast, because confidential sources come back with screenshots from them saying, you know, I never said that. I never said it. That was great. Yeah, it's really interesting feedback. And, you know, of course, it's so it's, it's just this is very specific if you haven't listened to the show, but for example, one of the, you know, just someone involved that with that we had a source quoting quoted something different, and we had to go fact check. And it was raw, you know, it just all these things were like, and the first thing we think is Oh, you listen to the show. I'm just picturing one of them leaving like a one star review. This is horrible. So we got one. And it was funny, because it was you stole music. And we were like, what? No, we paid for all our music, like, shut up, like you're only one star. But yeah, and even when the detective said, you know, he'd listened to the podcast, we're like, oh, you listened to the podcast? It was, you know, it's been a it's been a very interesting journey. So when you enter into a podcast, like you did, where the crime gave rise, or the, the the question gave rise to the podcast? Are you going to continue with this crime for the rest of the life of the podcast? Or do you think or how do you get the second one? I guess my, my thought becomes, because this is what gave rise to the podcast. Do you just continue with this one? Until you come to resolution? And then shut it down? Or how's that work? I think, yes, we definitely continue with this case. But other people have since written to us about other cases they'd like us to look into for other seasons. So I think we do a hybrid. So we'd continue, you know, adding to season one, which is the more nomos case, and then consider what we're going to do for future cases. So the premise because we thought this through at first, you know, we we loved we I love writing, Caitlin's the narrator. So, you know, we kind of decided early on that if we love it, if we're somewhat successful at it, then we would continue with cases because we both really enjoy it and being victim advocates and family advocates on a greater platform. So and we've been, we've managed to do that her father Paul's been on a bunch of podcasts, and of course, news and media, and all that. But yeah, we will definitely continue because we like helping. It's it's a good feeling. It's interesting. Nobody has ever written us asking us to discuss anything, anything. Well, I mean, we just have to I mean, granted, we produce a lot of pretty good content. Have you guys ever thought about focusing on this? Yeah. Have you ever thought about focus? I haven't. I haven't. really super. Since we generally interview stand up comedians, I guess it'll be unlikely that we get an open mic or who writes to us and says, I've got a very compelling job to do. Whatever. Would you guys please explore why I'm not being booked in this room. is one of the true crimes of comedy booking is that I have not headlined Yeah, I'm so funny. or other people headlining? It's booked piercey against me, one of our comedians favorite segments of our podcast lightning, the lightning round. Alright, so here's what we do. We ask somewhat deep questions to which we want short answers. Got it? Alright. So the very first question is a practice one. Very simple. clockwise or counterclockwise. Clockwise. Alright, starting with Jamie. Alright, scale of one to 10. How good are you at keeping secrets? Which is one which is 10. That's excellent. point one is terrible. 10 is a lock solid. follow up question. What is the follow up questions? It's a lightning round. Do not answer that. Hillary. Let's go to me. Thank you, Hillary. Bingo. What do you like most about the state where you live? Most? beaches, peaches? What do you think your life will look like in 10 years? Probably a lot like it does right now. You were put into the witness protection program. Where is your ideal location to be sent? actually don't say that one in case you ever put into the witness protection program? Where's your second favorite? Right, where's your second favorite place to be send. My second favorite place to be sent is Paris for the beaches or the beaches for the products Somebody you said second favorite, right? Who was what? what true crime? Would you like to know the answer to if you couldn't? If you could definitely get the answer and it was it was correct. What True Crime Would you like to know? Besides learned Amala? Despite Yes, besides the one you're working on, where's Amelia Earhart? Good one. What toy played the most significant part in your childhood? GI Joe? If you needed to check into a hotel with a fake name, what is the second most likely name that you would use? What was the one from willing grace beaver house? I forget what first name she used though. We'll take that favorite memory from childhood. Let's see. All right, say the swim team. I loved it. I loved that swim team lead who likes water. I really like water. I'm gonna tell you something about swim team. I was a terrible swimmer. When I left. This is not a lightning round. Shush. I want to hear Yeah, thank you. I hate I was a terrible swimmer, like borderline drowning every time I was going. But the best part about swim team was the jello packets that we would take and everyone would just sit there and as you're waiting for your your whatever race to come up. We'd sit there and just eat straight jello powder. It was awesome. I'm going to start bringing jello powder to our 40 and over basketball games. Just make it work. Like what he's telling me. Like I'm eating straight jello packets like I did when I was in the 10. And under backstroke, I believe I was a 10th of a second faster. Yeah, because of that jello powder. We were allowed that that is a tell me you are over 40 without telling me you are over 40 you'd be like, I hate jello packets at swim team. Right? Without the jello. Alright. I think this is the final lightning round, final lightning round question. All right, Hillary. What are you purposefully ignoring? Even though you know, you should probably deal with it. The COVID weight gain? That's a lame answer, but a lame answer. Truth. Yeah. And it's COVID. What are they calling it the COVID? 1919? Yeah. The COVID-19 COVID-19. Man. All right. So we appreciate you being a guest on our podcast. We do hope that people check out complicit wherever they subscribe and download their favorite podcasts Hilary was worth is the catalyst behind the complicit podcast. And we hope that with a co host with a co host. But you know, to the extent that the coast wasn't a participant in the interview this evening, it was unavailable to me to give my very lame lightning round answer. You crushed it. I wouldn't say they were anything lame about them. You crushed it. But we do hope that the work that you're doing to bring light to this case and some resolution to the family continues to move in a positive direction because we we have discussed in other segments that whole issue of would you want resolution or no resolution? And I think the answer is conclusively resolution is better. Agree. You know a lot of shows do it for entertainment value. As you stated, we had the case fall in our laps, and it ended up being a podcast. That was our preferred medium of communicating it to gain resolution. So yeah, we definitely want resolution. All right. Well, we hope it moves in that direction. Thank you for joining us here on the vodcast Thank you. Alright, that was Hillary Wadsworth. complicit is the podcast check it out. It's very interesting. It is a very weird story. And fairly recent 2020 wasn't that long ago. And this is a case that comes from 2020 sometimes it's easy to think of these True Crime subjects to be a little bit older, a little bit colder. Sounds like two lyrics from a Kenny Loggins song. But the reality is, is that they are happening every day and impacting families, such as it is we are going to be back with more of this true crime focused episode of lightning round only a bad cast. Moment Tito. Alright, this is the broadcast we are back. We're focusing this episode on True Crime hosts and podcasts. We're doing lightning rounds only sometimes that influences the lightning round questions we asked but not always. We are joined now by the host of the jury room. Kevin, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for having me. Our pleasure. We don't like to speak for the hosts of the podcast because we feel we might say things that are Contrary to how they envision their show or what the takeaway should be. So give us the 32nd elevator pitch of the jury room. Oh, the jury room podcast is more or less just, you know, a true crime podcast but still told in a story form. It's not necessarily just, you know, saying the facts, it's, you know, basing a narrative around the story of whatever it may be. And that could be from a serial killer, to an unsolved mystery to conspiracy theory and pretty much anything and everything in between. Alright, so of that broad range, what is your favorite to pursue? so far? My favorite is probably conspiracy theories and cults. Is there any cult that is not organized around a conspiracy theory? No, not that I can think of, really, we would never get an episode out if we did conspiracy theories, because we would hit rabbit hole after rabbit hole. We did it one time, I think in a different format. Talk about conspiracy theories. We did. But we jumped from one to the next to the next. It was it would have been maybe we should be running some by Kevin to see if they have any merit. Did Shakespeare actually write his own material? Probably not. That was concise. He's a pro. That was a pretty quick episode. Yeah. That was amazing. We could get a whole season done in one city, and yeah, why do you think people like conspiracy theories? It's that unknown. It's that being able to, you know, like you guys said, there's many different rabbit holes to a conspiracy theory, and not one person will ever be right, until there's the definitive proof. All right, here's a question for you that I've just thought up just now. Do you think language is a conspiracy theory? I mean, why wouldn't it be? Why? How can we have from different aspects of all over the globe have a way to communicate with each other, but in a different form? You know what I mean? Like, there's so many different aspects of communication and not just verbal, it's, you know, there's body language, there's, you know, a whole, you know, wide variety of ways to communicate. Right, but so embracing assigned meaning is a form of conspiracy, right, correct. Absolutely. Can we have like, 10 minutes for me to ponder that mind blown? Yeah, I think it's, I think it's true. as complex as that question is, I don't feel like there's a rabbit hole to go down. Oh, I absolutely think that those who give words meaning, exert power in society. So there's super incentive to game creation of language. Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. But do you think there are powers that be that invested in creating language that have a boardroom? Absolutely, no, no, no eating? And they say, okay, know, the origin, there's the origin of language, but then there's the power that derives of it but the but the maintenance of a conspiracy? Is people's just willingness to believe it, right? So we, we have all invested in the meaning of a word, but that's just a made up, meaning. What if dog doesn't eat dog? Right? What if, right, you know, just going on the basics, just basic thing. So we'll say, you know, at some point, who pointed out that dog was a dog and a cat was a cat. What if instead dog was known as purple or orange? Or you know what I mean? Like, why does language have what it has? You know what I mean? That's what he's trying to say. Right? And it was probably the more powerful people in the society that made those determinations. Okay, I'm not gonna sleep tonight. Yeah, your mind is blown. Language is good to hear. All right. All right. So on our podcast, we do something called the lightning round. And it is in depth questions, and we like short answers. We'll do a press one practice question is clockwise or counterclockwise, clockwise. Alright, starting with Jamie. So you are the foreman of the jury. And black licorice is on trial. Do you convict and what is your argument to your fellow jurors? Absolutely convicted a skirt like trash? Ouch. Best conspiracy movie? Oh, best conspiracy movie? I don't have an answer for that one. Okay, because off the top of my head. I can't really think Give me a minute or think of something. I think he does have an answer. But he doesn't want to tell you, gene. Does black licorice. Have an accomplice? cough syrup. Oh, you are the foreman of the jury. And cats. If that's what they're actually called, are on trial. Do you convict and what is your argument to your fellow jurors? No, you don't convict. They're they're assholes with their stuff like soft and cuddly to that. How many burner phones is the right number of burner phones to have at any given time? That's probably not a question I should answer. I don't want you to take it personally. I want to answer your question. Yeah, no person should answer that question. Unless you say 00 is the answer. Oh, it's right. Right. All right. Disneyland Disney World, Disney Cruise. Disneyland Aren't you are the foreman of the jury? And the film Mamma mia is on trial. Do you convict and what is your argument to your fellow jurors? Totally just based off the fact that I've never actually seen the movie I'm gonna go with convict and because it's not really my style. Okay so first of all, there's no presumption of innocence with Kevin and I am prepared with the backup movie. Titanic go do not convict because Titanic is I feel like a very it's a good representation of what could have possibly happened when the Titanic sank other than there's a conspiracy movie for you. Titanic. That's a huge conspiracy in itself. Wait a minute. There's this conspiracy that the Titanic didn't sink? No, of course the Titanic after the model, but I've seen it the bottom of the ocean. But didn't iceberg really do it? But what happened? But why what happened to those events to cause that Titanic to cause the ship to saying yes. Like, why weren't there any binoculars? Why didn't there was you know, there's a bunch of wildlife there enough lifeboats. Why weren't there? You know, there's there's a ton of questions. As far as like our people involved in a conspiracy kept quiet. I mean, over the years history gets changed, right? It's whoever controls the narrative controls, who gets to speak? There's a lot of people that don't talk, and there's a lot of stuff that gets lost to history. That's what causes conspiracy theories. Jamie, final one final lightning round question. What's the biggest favor that you've done for someone? Biggest favor I've done for someone besides appearing on the podcast. Which, by the way, thanks for having me. Happy to have you. Our biggest favorite would probably be given somebody money. I mean, that's usually the general consensus or letting people I've let friend stay with me before, you know stuff like that. Speaking of which, I have this investment that I'm trying to find some people who might be interested in participating appropriate. Yes, yes. Whenever I'm going to be in your town if you don't mind me crashing. Everybody knows stuff. And yeah, you sold build sell through? Yes. Why are you still talking the answers already? Yes. Do you have a bonus question? You are the foreman of the jury. And the podcast is on trial. Do you convict and what is your argument to your fellow jurors? convict? because why not? We clearly did it. We probably did do it. Excellent. So that's the lightning round. That was the way around. All right. He did a good job, Kevin. All right. So give people an idea of what they can expect about upcoming jury room season's episodes. Oh, right now I'm working on. I got hh Holmes in the works. I just did john Gacy. You can find me on any major podcasting platform, all 850 of them. I'm anywhere and out there. I'm out there anywhere and everywhere. I'm getting ready to start a YouTube channel. So I'm pretty excited about that right now. But yeah, other than that, that's pretty much that's it. All right. Well, we appreciate it. And thank you for joining us and continued success. And I think based on Jamie's lightning round questions, I think I'm okay with you being a four person on a jury. Yeah, absolutely. And again, the podcast is the jury room. So she puts make sure you head on over and check it out. And by the way, I know we didn't talk about it, but I will actually make a legitimate pitch when you were called for jury duty. You should go to jury duty. Yeah. All right. We appreciate it. Uh, Kevin, thank you for joining me today on the podcast. Thanks, guys. All right. That was Kevin host of the jury room. Check them out. It's a great podcast. Again, True Crime genre. There are 1000s of them out there. We have selected just a couple to ask lightning round questions of and we are appreciative of Kevin joining us and participating in the vodcast cheap we're gonna come back with a regular format please don't wander far. Don't go too far. Now stick around because I think we learned some stuff today and it's dangerous. 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